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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Nov 28, 2014 20:13:26 GMT -5
lol. Very basic science, about 70 years of history, and the eradication of smallpox and polio already did "prove you wrong" NOW, that being said - flu vaccinations are COMPLETELY different. They work differently, and you can get several different strains of the flu virus each year. Vaccinations are a gamble that the stream of the virus that you come in contact with will be the same stream that you were vaccinated for. I don't care about flu vaccinations, and do not get them my self. The big guns mentioned in the chart above, though, those are straightforward, proven and fact. If you believe that, that's kool. I don't believe it's proven fact because of the placebo effect factor and the fact that the studies actually haven't been done, just the vaccination trials over the past 70-100 years... And if that's enough for you, that's fine... not for me. Your chart is from some guy's blog... and like you told Cannon before, if you're going to make reference to something, provide a link too so we can see the entire piece on it, not just some pie chart, essentially. |
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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Nov 28, 2014 20:16:26 GMT -5
you should all get an award for this thread its all hilarious
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 28, 2014 20:21:59 GMT -5
I don't believe it's proven fact because of the placebo effect factor and the fact that the studies actually haven't been done, I feel you do not know what the placebo effect is. Literally no one on earth thinks polio is being cured by placebo drugs. The vaccine is administered to babies. I already mentioned that babies do not experience the placebo effect. Secondly, there are volumes, and volumes of data not only showing the studies HAVE been done, but that beyond studies, they have been working in the real world now for over 70 years. There are generations of people without polio because of vaccinations. Huge problem-diseases like polio and smallpox, that wiped out millions, are eradicated. They are gone. You think diseases can be eradicated by placebo effects that infants cannot experience? I feel like you are probably explaining yourself wrong, because what you are saying is absurd. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Nov 28, 2014 20:32:40 GMT -5
Show some, or don't waste our time...
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Post by Ferocity on Nov 28, 2014 20:33:04 GMT -5
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Post by The Rocketmen on Nov 28, 2014 20:34:00 GMT -5
"our"?....?
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Post by The Rocketmen on Nov 28, 2014 20:34:56 GMT -5
...kruze's crutch here is so similar to "prove god doesn't exist" in relation to "prove they don't cause autism" when there has been ZERO PROOF OF THE OPPOSITE.
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Post by Ferocity on Nov 28, 2014 20:35:07 GMT -5
don't misunderstand- I don't like want or need all vaccines, but to say they don't work is wrong. they do work against the disease/virus they are designed for.
Flu vaccines work- the flu you get after the vaccine just isn't the flu virus that the vaccine was made for. this doesn't mean you should or should not get them- it just means they are effective against getting a specific flu.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Nov 29, 2014 6:38:29 GMT -5
I think the last time I read up on it, there are like 300 different versions of the flu and each vaccine makes you immune to one of them. So if you've had like 5 flu shots, you still have the possibility of getting the flue from the other 295 different types. BUT if you get ten flu shots in your lifetime, then your children get 10, then in the next couple hundred of years, or about 5 generations, your genes will be much more stronger against the flu, and thus the likelihood of getting it decreases.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Nov 29, 2014 7:47:22 GMT -5
I like this video. and I know Kruze will say these guys are just entertainers.. and he would be right.. BUT despite them being entertainers the things they are saying are true and fact. You can find facts everywhere. Kruze if you want facts to prove your wrong, do research on the internet. You will find in very short order that there are facts on the internet about this topic. I have had vaccines, I have had flu shots.. why? because it is a preventable measure to a worse outcome. For example: If I tie a secured rope around my waist before I walk very close to an edge of a cliff, I may not fall off anyway.. BUT in that very unlikely chance if i do fall i'm protected. Now if you don't have that rope.. the end of this story could be a lot worse including being fatal.
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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Nov 30, 2014 0:56:48 GMT -5
with al respect i think you guys over pwned him cause he aint said a word since getting manhandled in this thread by everyone lmao.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Nov 30, 2014 12:15:45 GMT -5
with al respect i think you guys over pwned him cause he aint said a word since getting manhandled in this thread by everyone lmao. No not at all... I asked for them to show any research or studies that they claim exist. All they've produced to back it up are statistics, a blog with more statistics/opinion and a very clever video by Penn & Teller, but no published study stating that in fact "Yes, immunizations are effective.". My point still stands that it all could be a placebo effect because people believe these immunizations work, then they do... and as you can see by how rigorously folks in this thread are arguing the point without any research or studies, that also supports my theory. There's been really nothing to say past that point. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Nov 30, 2014 14:12:21 GMT -5
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Nov 30, 2014 14:23:12 GMT -5
Yes, but those are just studies on they're effects on brain function as to whether they cause autism or not, not the effectiveness of the said vaccine. This debate isn't about autism. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Nov 30, 2014 14:27:28 GMT -5
they talk about several different studies on various problems such as autism and brain function and baby seizures.. but they show that vaccines work.
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Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!