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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Nov 30, 2014 14:34:23 GMT -5
they talk about several different studies on various problems such as autism and brain function and baby seizures.. but they show that vaccines work. No, all it shows is that they don't cause any ill neurological effects to the subjects and deems them safe to be administered to the general public. It still doesn't show whether they work or don't work. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 30, 2014 17:33:20 GMT -5
Stats showing that a disease has been eradicated since the immunization was regularly performed is concrete proof. I have no idea how you do not understand that. Literally no other stat, study, or piece of information needs to be presented when a disease is wiped out entirely as a direct result of an immunization shot.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Nov 30, 2014 17:49:17 GMT -5
How about KRUZE goes out and gives us scientific sources supplying sufficient information to the counter. .org .gov sites are typically a good place to find them. Otherwise, shut the fuck up and go talk to Alex Jones ya crazy bastard.
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 30, 2014 18:43:38 GMT -5
Alex Jones is not related to Jon Jones.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Nov 30, 2014 19:10:39 GMT -5
How about KRUZE goes out and gives us scientific sources supplying sufficient information to the counter. .org .gov sites are typically a good place to find them. Otherwise, shut the fuck up and go talk to Alex Jones ya crazy bastard. If there were some, I would... fact is that there isn't a study to show, for or against, because none have been made. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 30, 2014 19:14:21 GMT -5
For get studies for a minute (even though we gave you studies). Real world application proved it. For 70 years. Should we claim that jumping off tall buildings onto concrete doesn't cause *SPLAT - you're dead*? Real-world evidence proves it totally does.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Nov 30, 2014 19:20:36 GMT -5
For get studies for a minute (even though we gave you studies). Real world application proved it. For 70 years. Should we claim that jumping off tall buildings onto concrete doesn't cause *SPLAT - you're dead*? Real-world evidence proves it totally does. Studies for the neurological effects of vaccines were given, yes... but that wasn't ever what this debate was about. For 70 years or not, the world application, as I've suggested, could just be a placebo effect or it could be that they are effective, we don't know with any certainty. I'm not knocking folks for believing it does... I'm just saying that there have been no studies to prove or disprove that vaccinations are effective. Everyone's entitled to believe what they wants, but without proof, it's up to you as an individual as to what you believe. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 30, 2014 19:22:27 GMT -5
We need to stop and hear your definition of the placebo effect now. You have now said 3 times that the placebo effect of immunization is why polio is eradicated. Please tell me what the placebo effect is, and why you think it is the reason for the virus' eradication when administered to infants ranging from 2 months to 18 months old.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Nov 30, 2014 19:44:19 GMT -5
We need to stop and hear your definition of the placebo effect now. You have now said 3 times that the placebo effect of immunization is why polio is eradicated. Please tell me what the placebo effect is, and why you think it is the reason for the virus' eradication when administered to infants ranging from 2 months to 18 months old. Why is it it that when someone has a different opinion than you, you have this need to be a jerk about it man? This isn't a debate about right and wrong nor is it a competition or to make folks look like an ass. I'm simply stating my own opinion based on the fact that there have been no studies to prove or disprove their effectiveness. That is actually a fact. You know what the placebo effect is. I also wasn't talking specifically about polio, you have been. Polio is definitely an interesting one though. I'd honestly like to see an actual study on that as to whether it was actually the vaccinations on that or whether it died out due to better foods/diets we're eating and other factors or a combination or what. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 30, 2014 19:53:01 GMT -5
If you believe the Earth is a cube, that is your opinion. It is wrong, factually, but it is your opinion. Having an opinion doesn't make it except from being factually incorrect. The facts on the graph I posted on page 1 are collected facts from many decades of real-world medical data. They are as much a fact as whatever you seem to be looking for in studies. Moreso even, since you don't value "lab studies" with proportional subjects, as you said previously. So, again, real world proof. If you wanna ignore it, then you are here telling everyone the world is a cube and that that is okay because its your "opinion". Go nuts. Doesn't make your opinion any less batshit crazy.
Objectively speaking, of course.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Nov 30, 2014 20:05:09 GMT -5
If you believe the Earth is a cube, that is your opinion. It is wrong, factually, but it is your opinion. Having an opinion doesn't make it except from being factually incorrect. The facts on the graph I posted on page 1 are collected facts from many decades of real-world medical data. They are as much a fact as whatever you seem to be looking for in studies. Moreso even, since you don't value "lab studies" with proportional subjects, as you said previously. So, again, real world proof. If you wanna ignore it, then you are here telling everyone the world is a cube and that that is okay because its your "opinion". Go nuts. Doesn't make your opinion any less batshit crazy. Objectively speaking, of course. I disagree that they are as factual as a study on it would be nor is it concrete proof enough for me to rush out and get a flu shot. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 30, 2014 20:24:57 GMT -5
70 years of history - not factual
Placebo effect in infants - factual.
#KruzeLogicStrikesAgain
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Nov 30, 2014 20:44:30 GMT -5
70 years of history - not factual Placebo effect in infants - factual. #KruzeLogicStrikesAgain Again, you're putting words in my mouth and stepping out of the bounds of debate here man. I haven't resorted to name calling or trying to make you look like an idiot for your views. Show some respect man. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 30, 2014 21:29:45 GMT -5
I respect facts, logic, and well-thought-out arguments. I am still waiting for them so this can turn into a debate.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Nov 30, 2014 21:42:20 GMT -5
I respect facts, logic, and well-thought-out arguments. I am still waiting for them so this can turn into a debate. And I've been giving them... just because you don't like what I'm saying and don't agree doesn't make them non-factual, illogical or not well thought-out. I'm also not getting pissed off and resorting to name calling to get my point across either. |
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