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Post by The West Coast Knockouts on Aug 2, 2015 12:20:02 GMT -5
I like it .
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Aug 2, 2015 12:44:09 GMT -5
OMFG Kruze, you basically get as many points as him so if he doesn't get any free points why should you?? Just shut the fuck up cause this benefits the league as a whole. Like holy shit dude! How about you shut the fuck up for once? I'm allowed to have an opinion and I'm allowed not to like it. I don't have one of the best teams in the league, and because of my activity, I'm carrying a larger roster which does demand the generation of points. This is just looking like a ploy to do one of two things: 1) To make it so I get less points than I probably should, if we're giving out bonuses or 2) to get me to limit my activity and get the bonuses. All masked by giving bonuses to everyone else in the league so that everyone will go along with it. Plus, if you look at the little comparison there, guys like Byron, who's always complaining that he doesn't make enough points, and Ferocity, end up getting less points on this proposed system and generally are generally a low volume posters to begin with and then you see Ducks there too, who'd end up losing a whopping 19 points with with this new system. That's 36% of the league that are affected either negatively or it's of no benefit to at all. I'm seriously sick of, in the end, being the target of these things. Yes, I'm an very active member, but I also have the roster size to facilitate having higher post volumes so that it's not overly one-sided for folks that have been complaining about my post volumes and activity. No one else in the league has a 25 fighter roster, and I guaran-damn-tee you that if I pared that down by 10 fighters to say 15 fighters, we'd be having this discussion all over again, and again, because instead of having 25 fighters to spread those 62 points over it'd be 15 and you'd all be screaming bloody murder again and we'll be here discussing raising my PPP all over again or devising another scheme for PPP because of my post volume. It's a vicious cycle, but as I've been saying for years, why should anyone be penalized for being active? Last time I checked, you want active members on these sites. I'm sick and tired of you always thinking that the world is out to get you. Like holy fuck dude it's a fucking sim league that everybody is trying to enjoy. Nobody asked you to have 25 fighters that's your own choice. Drop some fighters and your problem is solved. You don't see any of us attacking Justin over his roster, the only one that does is YOU. Stop with complaining over everything and stop making it seem like everybody is out to get. This idea was brought up to make the league more fun and enjoyable for the users who can't be as active as you and Justin. That's why we get bonuses so that while you make 60+ points we can make 10+ points rather than 3. So shut you fucking mouth for once and actually analyize what this is proposing for the league and not for just your roster. It's soooooooo fucking annoying seeing you complain in every single fucking thread. I can talk about my family and you'll say "so you think your family is better than mine?" like Jesus Christ dude grow up and act your age. I'm fucking 20 years younger than you and I don't even complain as much as you. You act like a fucking 5 year old who wasn't allowed a cookie from the cookie jar. Grow up and stop acting like a child and thinking that everybody is out to get you. FUCK |
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 2, 2015 13:20:58 GMT -5
So you're basically instituting a new PPP system that I'm basically the only one in the league (except you) that doesn't get a bonus at all. Yes, because you (and I) essentially get a number of points so far above the league average, we would earn less than half a point. So, you know, it's not like we need the single. At all. Even remotely. You did earn 62 points just from fighting posting all the time. That being said, that was last-season's numbers. If, as a league, we post more this season, the average would go up and you could very well earn a bonus point. It all ties in with league numbers. That's why it's good. We help ourselves, and everyone else when it comes to this bonus. why would I endorse this? Because it helps the people who are not able to be as active as yourself, and not that long ago, you said this: I'm willing to help however I can |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 2, 2015 13:56:37 GMT -5
So you're basically instituting a new PPP system that I'm basically the only one in the league (except you) that doesn't get a bonus at all. Yes, because you (and I) essentially get a number of points so far above the league average, we would earn less than half a point. So, you know, it's not like we need the single. At all. Even remotely. You did earn 62 points just from fighting posting all the time.That being said, that was last-season's numbers. If, as a league, we post more this season, the average would go up and you could very well earn a bonus point. It all ties in with league numbers. That's why it's good. We help ourselves, and everyone else when it comes to this bonus. Seriously, the bolded statement there says it all in terms of what one of the motives behind this move is. It just means that I post less to gain more points from bonuses or I just receive no bonus. It's pretty cut and dried. why would I endorse this? Because it helps the people who are not able to be as active as yourself, and not that long ago, you said this: I'm willing to help however I can Saying it helps the people that are not able to be as active is a load of crap dude. As I said, and as you showed, Ducks, Conquistadors & Ferocity get no bonus, and in the case of those 3 than me, they actually lose points going to this format which is ludicrous when guys like Rocketmen & Cannon each gain a point. I don't find that fair at all, especially when you consider that Ducks loses a whopping 19 points from his totals last season. I'm also not going to allow you to try and throw that statement I made back in my face on this particular issue, that you've fragmented for your own purposes again, because the rest of that statement was to help do certain jobs around the site to free up time for you to enable you to release our fighter attributes, not to screw myself over, or the people that are effectively losing points by switching to this goofy ass PPP format. The thing is, I don't have to like it nor do I have to support it for it to get put into place anyways since pretty much anything I put up any resistance to gets put in, or forced through, regardless of any valid points I make about it. So, basically, all this comes down to is me voicing my opposition to it. Period. You can save your breath on trying to convince me that it's "a wonderful idea" cuz you're not going to. lol |
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 2, 2015 14:21:41 GMT -5
You missed the part where Ducks and Byron were bumped up to 25 PPP this season regardless. It's kind of funny because this proves that you are 100% in it for you. This doesn't affect you in ANY WAY, but you oppose it because it helps others but you get nothing out of it. Interesting...but not a surprise. Seriously, the bolded statement there says it all in terms of what one of the motives behind this move is. It just means that I post less to gain more points from bonuses or I just receive no bonus. It's pretty cut and dried. That's the beauty of this format - if you post less, you might get a bonus...but you would have to forfeit about 30 points to get 1-2 bonus points to do so. In this format, it is ALWAYS better to post than to not. Hence the word "bonus", With the current PPP bracket system, there is a grey area where people try to move from one bracket to the other to be in a lower bracket and get more points the next season. This eliminates that grey area. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 2, 2015 14:37:30 GMT -5
You missed the part where Ducks and Byron were bumped up to 25 PPP this season regardless. It's kind of funny because this proves that you are 100% in it for you. This doesn't affect you in ANY WAY, but you oppose it because it helps others but you get nothing out of it. Interesting...but not a surprise. Seriously, the bolded statement there says it all in terms of what one of the motives behind this move is. It just means that I post less to gain more points from bonuses or I just receive no bonus. It's pretty cut and dried. That's the beauty of this format - if you post less, you might get a bonus...but you would have to forfeit about 30 points to get 1-2 bonus points to do so. In this format, it is ALWAYS better to post than to not. Hence the word "bonus", With the current PPP bracket system, there is a grey area where people try to move from one bracket to the other to be in a lower bracket and get more points the next season. This eliminates that grey area. I didn't miss a damn thing and this only helps small majority of folks, not everyone in the league. See this is the exact thing I'm talking about how you twist my words around to make it sound nothing like what I was saying at all for your own benefit. This isn't ONLY about me... I'm opposed to it because the way you're explaining it, people that you're claiming to be trying to help are actually losing points and not gaining any bonus whatsoever, and in some cases are losing a boatload of points, whereas folks that don't really need a bonus are getting a bonus anyways, even if it is just one point. This new format isn't only unfair to me, it's unfair to quite a few other players here as well. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 2, 2015 14:49:17 GMT -5
this only helps small majority of folks, not everyone in the league. A small majority is a majority, you know that right? So yes, you are correct. It does help the majority of the league. It increases the points earned for 7 teams (58%) and has absolutely no impact on 2 teams (16%). It has an unknown impact on 2 others (16%) because they moved into a different post-bracket anyways - but if you do that math, it helps them as well. Worst case scenario, this makes 58% of the league better and has no impact what so ever on another 16%. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 2, 2015 14:54:52 GMT -5
this only helps small majority of folks, not everyone in the league. You are correct. It does help the majority of the league. It increases the points earned for 7 teams (58%) and has absolutely no impact on 2 teams (16%). It has an unknown impact on 2 others (16%) because they moved into a different post-bracket anyways - but if you do that math, it helps them as well. Worst case scenario, this makes 58% of the league better and has no impact what so ever on another 16%. I disagree with you completely and the change in PPP again... but that's never mattered before when it's changed, especially when it has affected me, so why should it now? I can't say I'm surprised at this either. We finally get the PPP straightened out and working just fine, but it changes again. Yet other changes to the way we do things around here get shit on... How does this free up time for you again?  |
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 2, 2015 15:01:33 GMT -5
We finally get the PPP straightened out and working just fine, but it changes again. PPP has only appeared to be resolved because I have been struggling with it quietly behind the scenes. What would you do with Byron's PPP this season? Ducks? Ferocity? GAP? And especially Bulldozers? 15 or 25 for the upcoming season? You also keep talking like this harms you or even affects you. It literally has no affect on you what so ever. You do not lose any points, or have any change in PPP. How does this free up time for you again? 1) I don't have to figure out where people's PPP should be every off-season. 2) Whoever is doing Point Allocation (which could be me in a week or two) doesn;t have to keep checking if someone is at 15 or 25 PPP. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 2, 2015 15:23:50 GMT -5
We finally get the PPP straightened out and working just fine, but it changes again. PPP has only appeared to be resolved because I have been struggling with it quietly behind the scenes. What would you do with Byron's PPP this season? Ducks? Ferocity? GAP? And especially Bulldozers? 15 or 25 for the upcoming season? You also keep talking like this harms you or even affects you. It literally has no affect on you what so ever. You do not lose any points, or have any change in PPP. I may well lose points too, we don't know... and if this is just another band-aid solution, it's just going to change in a season or two again anyways. I'm honestly more concerned about the folks that are losing more vast quantities of points, who do need those points, in proportion to the ones that are gaining points. That looks like a rather large imbalance to me... and yes, to elude to what you said earlier, of course I'm about myself. I'm also not staff; I'm an individual team that struggles just like those teams that don't generate a lot of PPP. And while, on paper, it appears not to affect me, the reality is that it will affect me in terms of upgrading since the program appears to not like the upgrades I make to my fighters. That's not much of a trade off nor is it of any benefit to me to endorse a PPP format that's eventually going to put me right back at the bottom of the league again. It's as simple as that. How does this free up time for you again? 1) I don't have to figure out where people's PPP should be every off-season. 2) Whoever is doing Point Allocation (which could be me in a week or two) doesn;t have to keep checking if someone is at 15 or 25 PPP. 1) In the grand scheme of things, how much time does that really save you? And, thusly, how much of that can be applied to the suggestion I've made about the fighter attributes? I'm figuring not that much if you're going to be running the PPP yourself in a week or two. lol 2) That doesn't free up much time if you can do simple math bro. As you know, I've done the point allocation thread before, and with weird PPP for folks too, and it's not that difficult if you can add and make sure you put the person's next post number for a point at the top of their section.  |
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 2, 2015 15:29:46 GMT -5
As you know, I've done the point allocation thread before, No you didn;t, that's why I got someone else to do it, lmao. And Stop telling me what I do and don't have time for. If you even kind of knew how much time I spent on this site behind the scenes, you would cower and cry in a corner. And none of this has anything to do with your suggestion. The type of time your suggestion takes is time I am not willing to invest - its boring, tedious, and un-fucking-necessary. You have not convinced me there is even a problem. You talk about how everyone except me is struggling, and yet there is quite the diverse number of teams represented on the banner. I am sorry you struggle with upgrading, but just you having a problem is not a league problem. Suggest something that helps more than just you, AND that is something I can actually do and then we will talk. Stop focusing on your failed suggestion and come up with a new one. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 2, 2015 15:47:28 GMT -5
As you know, I've done the point allocation thread before, No you didn;t, that's why I got someone else to do it, lmao. I did it for 3 seasons before it got to that point, so don't tell me that I didn't do it cuz I was there. Thanks. And Stop telling me what I do and don't have time for. If you even kind of knew how much time I spent on this site behind the scenes, you would cower and cry in a corner. I didn't tell you what you do and don't have time for. All I did was ask you a simple question... you took offense. Not my problem. And none of this has anything to do with your suggestion. The type of time your suggestion takes is time I am not willing to invest - its boring, tedious, and un-fucking-necessary. You have not convinced me there is even a problem. You talk about how everyone except me is struggling, and yet there is quite the diverse number of teams represented on the banner. I am sorry you struggle with upgrading, but just you having a problem is not a league problem. Suggest something that helps more than just you, AND that is something I can actually do and then we will talk. Stop focusing on your failed suggestion and come up with a new one. Apparently it does have to do with my suggestion since you've been using a quote of a statement that I made pertaining to helping you free up time for my suggestion. I'm not the only one struggling with upgrading. GAP is having issues with, as are a number of other teams. The teams "represented" on the champions banner doesn't mean much of anything when 90% of them are usually your fighters or formerly your fighter at nearly any given time. It's not a failed suggestion if you'd be willing to work towards a solution for it instead of digging in your heels about it. It'd obviously be a benefit to the entire league if we just did it, got it done and it was done. It's not like you haven't been offered the help for it to work out, one way or another. So, really, it comes down to what exactly are you protecting? Cuz you actually know how trustworthy I am with information and things, but your own paranoia cloud that, unfortunately. I don't know why it's such a huge thing for you that you know the program better than everyone else when you claim that you don't care about winning or anything like that when it's obvious that you do have an advantage over everyone else when it comes to upgrading. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 2, 2015 15:58:26 GMT -5
Nothing pertaining to your suggestion will be discussed here. If you have a suggestion, post it as a suggestion. This is something entirely different, and you are creating far too much for people to catch up on, by having 3 parallel discussions here. Anything further about anything other than this PPP change will be removed. So here is where we stand, after all your babble. 1) We established it saves me time.  2) We established it does not affect you at all (you still don't like that though, because it helps out people like GAP, instead of people like you) 3) It makes points easier for whoever is doing points (which is not you) 4) You are only willing to help out if its for your own suggestion, not if it helps anyone else. All of this is noted, no need to repeat going forward, or really for you to comment any further in this thread. Your objection has been noted, now let's hear from other people before this back and forth gets too intimidating for them to comment. |
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Post by Ferocity on Aug 2, 2015 16:21:34 GMT -5
I think this works. We need the bottom teams to be stronger, or the top and mid tier teams have no one to fight that is worth fighting.
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 2, 2015 16:51:54 GMT -5
Also true. The best times for me as a booker are when someone different gets upgraded, then I can put them in new match-ups. When the best are the same fighters for too long, the fights run dry. Valid point |
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