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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 13, 2015 0:14:28 GMT -5
I've explained the difference many times to you. You refuse to listen. You just go on rants about "Other people know MMA as well as you dude, you aren't god". Listen instead of babble and you'll find your answer. If you are upgrading the way I do it, the way Bulldozers, and Rocketmen and Byron do it - you will get those same results. You are not, so your results are not the same. I don't know what more to tell you dude, lol. Again, I've tried my own and your way a have gotten the exact same results both ways. That's what you're not getting here, for whatever reason. It's not babble, it's simple fact. I've asked you for advice before and the ONLY advice you ever give is "upgrade better"... That's it. I've followed the model of what you did with Hansen before... Nothing. Yet you put less than 10 points into someone and they're suddenly a fucking phenom like Rumble. lol It's all bullshit, and I'm not the only one having this problem. GAP was having the same issue when he was more active when was able to upgrade more (See Fedor/Chiesa), and what Cannon's been doing with his women isn't too far off from what others are doing, yet he doesn't get big winners and champions all too often with his women at all either. So what else are we supposed to think dude? I mean really, think about it. Why do you think I've been asking for atleast the capped fighters attributes to be released? Something isn't right man, and you're not telling any of us that are having issues what that is. So either we all pick all bad fighters or there's something else at play here. And I'm leaning towards the latter because most of us have current or former champions and ranked fighters on our teams. Hell, even Byron's only had success with one fighter... ONE... But with the amount of points that he and others have put into Shamrock, he should be a lot better, and he's not either. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 13, 2015 0:37:22 GMT -5
TL;DR
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 13, 2015 1:14:14 GMT -5
I've explained the difference many times to you. You refuse to listen. You just go on rants about "Other people know MMA as well as you dude, you aren't god". Listen instead of babble and you'll find your answer. If you are upgrading the way I do it, the way Bulldozers, and Rocketmen and Byron do it - you will get those same results. You are not, so your results are not the same. I don't know what more to tell you dude, lol. Again, I've tried my own and your way a have gotten the exact same results both ways. That's what you're not getting here, for whatever reason. It's not babble, it's simple fact. I've asked you for advice before and the ONLY advice you ever give is "upgrade better"... That's it. I've followed the model of what you did with Hansen before... Nothing. Yet you put less than 10 points into someone and they're suddenly a fucking phenom like Rumble. lol It's all bullshit, and I'm not the only one having this problem. GAP was having the same issue when he was more active when was able to upgrade more (See Fedor/Chiesa), and what Cannon's been doing with his women isn't too far off from what others are doing, yet he doesn't get big winners and champions all too often with his women at all either. So what else are we supposed to think dude? I mean really, think about it. Why do you think I've been asking for atleast the capped fighters attributes to be released? Something isn't right man, and you're not telling any of us that are having issues what that is. So either we all pick all bad fighters or there's something else at play here. And I'm leaning towards the latter because most of us have current or former champions and ranked fighters on our teams. Hell, even Byron's only had success with one fighter... ONE... But with the amount of points that he and others have put into Shamrock, he should be a lot better, and he's not either. TL;DR - I did my own thing and failed. You didn't tell me how not to fail specifically. I am accusing you of cheating by putting minimal points into someone who all of a sudden is amazing. Everyone else upgrades, but you win belts and they don't, so again, Sandman is a cheater. I want capped fighters info to prove you're cheating. I make the assumption that only Sandman's fighters are good and everyone else's suck, so Sandman is cheating. That is the legitimate TL;DR of that post, except that he didn't specifically use the word "cheating". But the fact of the matter is that Anderson Silva and Gina Carano were both great when the site started, and both won belts, lost them and then regained and defended often, so that is why Sandman has champions. Then people caught up. Guys he worked on like Kimbo have not won a championship in forever, neither has Anderson. I've seen a lot more competitive nature, I mean, fuck, even Jason MacDonald got a god damn title shot, and that is just something that I find completely ridiculous, but he earned it! I don't think anyone is cheating. Everyone has upgraded in similar ways, but I'm sure height might play a part, or body types or little tiny things because it's a simulator. Who knows? I don't even think Justin knows. It's just kind of the luck of the draw. But the difference between most people is that the ones winning belts have focused on specific fighters only, instead of a large roster to keep everyone competitive on the team, and have won with those guys. That's why cannon, byron, gap and even bulldozers all had like 1 or 2 very very good fighters who were in the mix for contendership and then it falls off. So maybe cut out the accusations and enjoy the site and enjoy continuing to build, and if you can't enjoy it without raining down a barrage of conspiracy theories then maybe this place isn't for you? |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 13, 2015 2:00:09 GMT -5
Here's the over-arching problem I see, Kruzey. You assume everyone has the same mentality as you - WINNING IS eVERYTHING. Since winning at sim sites is super important to you, you do not understand that some of us just like to have fun. And that we can do that whether our fighters are winning ot losing. We don't care. I don't care about my team winning. It's all about fun fights for me. But your brain is so hell-bent on "winning is everything" you don't get that - you don't understand that for others, it's not. You apparently care so much about winning, it DOES occur to you to cheat to win. So you assume I would do it too. Combine that with the fact that it makes you such a poor loser, you grab at any possible straws you can to make up excuses for your losing. You blame everyone. No one else does that. It's just a game, dude.
You need to accept that we are different. Winning is not everything to me - I would actually prefer not to win, which is why I give upgrade advice so willingly (and without being asked). I want EVERYONE to be better. It's not just about me or my team. Once you accept that, maybe you can get over this whole, "sandmen cheats cause he upgraded Rumble well" silliness. I have far better things to do with my time then cheat so fighters that I somewhat like become indestructible on a fictional, fantasy site.
Winning is everything to you. That's great, it gives you some goals here. But it's not everything to everyone.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 13, 2015 2:25:42 GMT -5
Oh, FFS... AGAIN?!  Can't we just have a fucking discussion with you pulling this "move the thread" crap cuz it's "gonna be a fight". This isn't grade school buddy. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 13, 2015 2:28:41 GMT -5
Here's the over-arching problem I see, Kruzey. You assume everyone has the same mentality as you - WINNING IS eVERYTHING. Since winning at sim sites is super important to you, you do not understand that some of us just like to have fun. And that we can do that whether our fighters are winning ot losing. We don't care. I don't care about my team winning. It's all about fun fights for me. But your brain is so hell-bent on "winning is everything" you don't get that - you don't understand that for others, it's not. You apparently care so much about winning, it DOES occur to you to cheat to win. So you assume I would do it too. Combine that with the fact that it makes you such a poor loser, you grab at any possible straws you can to make up excuses for your losing. You blame everyone. No one else does that. It's just a game, dude. You need to accept that we are different. Winning is not everything to me - I would actually prefer not to win, which is why I give upgrade advice so willingly (and without being asked). I want EVERYONE to be better. It's not just about me or my team. Once you accept that, maybe you can get over this whole, "sandmen cheats cause he upgraded Rumble well" silliness. I have far better things to do with my time then cheat so fighters that I somewhat like become indestructible on a fictional, fantasy site. Winning is everything to you. That's great, it gives you some goals here. But it's not everything to everyone. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 13, 2015 2:29:24 GMT -5
I've actually found that as soon as I won a title, I got bored of the fighter - hence Wanderlei was traded.
The chase is the best part. The tinkering is the best part. The growth, the seeing minimal or radical changes is fucking exciting. Then you win the belt and that's the pinnacle, and you hope you can defend once or twice, but as soon as your guy is defending quite a bit, you get tired of it.
Again, Wanderlei as an example, was on something like a 14 title defense record. I challenged the heavyweight champ, Alistair Overeem (a guy in title picture but not a dominant champion like Anderson and Wanderlei) and got fucking utterly destroyed.
Then someone eventually built someone to overcome Wanderlei's talents and the division blew up with contenders.
THAT is exciting. LOSING can be more exciting than winning, and Wanderlei losing the title and losing to Alistair Overeem is a perfect example.
Now, I have Franklin on top, and I dealt Silva, and guess what? Silva won a number one contendership slot.
THAT IS FUCKING EXCITING, and it's likely that my fighter (Franklin) will lose, but god dammit, I am fucking pumped at that possibility. It will energize me to go head on with another fighter or tinker Franklin for a comeback.
God dammit, this is the shit that makes this site feel alive. Not just dominating NHL15 on rookie and winning 10-0 every game. LOSING and wanting redemption - that is pure excitement.
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 13, 2015 2:37:18 GMT -5
Yes! I'm the same. That's why I don't work on the old folks like Anderson and Carano (and Le and Hansen) and stuff. Been there, done that, now time to make someone better. The thrill for me is a great new talent - regardless of who makes it. I loved Bas. I loved Coenen and JJ. And Wanderlei. And Overeem back in the day  The cycle of developing new talent is what makes ManMMA worth investing the hours a day I invest in it. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 13, 2015 2:41:08 GMT -5
And there's only one direction to go for any fighter when you put a single point in them and that's up. Look forward to finding out who the next surprise big thing will be. Maybe it's GAP with Diego. Maybe it's one of the women who have gained a lot of attention recently, or Werdum or Cormier.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 13, 2015 2:44:01 GMT -5
Yes! I'm the same. That's why I don't work on the old folks like Anderson and Carano (and Le and Hansen) and stuff. Been there, done that, now time to make someone better. The thrill for me is a great new talent - regardless of who makes it. I loved Bas. I loved Coenen and JJ. And Wanderlei. And Overeem back in the day The cycle of developing new talent is what makes ManMMA worth investing the hours a day I invest in it. If this is the case, then why be a complete jackass when people are having a hard time with things and question things? |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 13, 2015 2:45:55 GMT -5
Probably because all you did was call him a cheater. And the accusation was uncalled for considering almost everyone has had far and away more success than you and yet you claim everyone is suffering when it's clearly, CLEARLY, just one person. But the accusations and constant conspiracy suggestions brings the morale down, bud.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 13, 2015 3:23:19 GMT -5
Probably because all you did was call him a cheater. And the accusation was uncalled for considering almost everyone has had far and away more success than you and yet you claim everyone is suffering when it's clearly, CLEARLY, just one person. But the accusations and constant conspiracy suggestions brings the morale down, bud. It's not uncalled for when it happens over and over again, and not just to me... but guys like you and Byron that, I'm sorry... and for lack of a better term, kiss his ass, are reaping benefits of this. I don't say EVERYONE is suffering from this... It's mostly the people that piss Sandman off the most that are afflicted with this though... which is where the actual inference of "cheating" comes from. I hope to her almighty that he's not... but you get to a point, after being here this long, you see patterns. Call it conspiracy or whatever, but take a look at the current champions banner. How many of those aren't current or former Sandmen or Rocketmen? How often do we see that? Quite often. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 13, 2015 3:35:29 GMT -5
This is getting interesting. Let's hear more about your elaborate ManMMA Conspiracy Theory - I have real questions.
1) When did I apparently start cheating so that only me and my friends won (except Cannon, one of my closest friends who I talk to daily and visit monthly apparently - him I guess I hate... vs Byron, a guy I talk to 7 times a year on a sim site...)? Was it when Ramrod dominated the league early in its lifecycle? Was it when most of the site was inactive for a whole year and I decided the best way to get people excited about the site again was to make my whole team invincible? Was it when I traded off my best fighters?
2) Where does Bullies fall; he has JJ? Or Bulldozers with Murphy? Or Knockouts with Overeem? They all kiss my ass too?
3) And what about GAP? Does he kiss my ass, or is he part of your rebel posse? You know Gap - The only team on this site I have ever knowingly and willingly allowed to overclock a fighter?
4) What is the benefit of this cheating? Winning? At the expense of losing members due to having a corrupt league? And what universe do you live in where you can cheat at something and actually ENJOY having won, via cheating?
5) When do you propose I have time for all this cheating, when I spend almost all of my free time getting daily fucking headaches from ManMMA since I spend so much time working on it (maintenence, simming, booking, aesthetics, function, recruitment, sigs, banners, etc, etc)
6) If I am conspiring against you, why do I keep offering you suggestions and advice, even after you have told me you do not want my advice? Sim after sim, for the past 2 years, I will comment that a fighter could use ___. If he is one of yours, you almost always disagree, or ask what fight I am watching, or talk about how you know as much about MMA as me.
Let's start with those questions and really dig into this.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 13, 2015 5:40:56 GMT -5
This is getting interesting. Let's hear more about your elaborate ManMMA Conspiracy Theory - I have real questions. 1) When did I apparently start cheating so that only me and my friends won (except Cannon, one of my closest friends who I talk to daily and visit monthly apparently - him I guess I hate... vs Byron, a guy I talk to 7 times a year on a sim site...)? Was it when Ramrod dominated the league early in its lifecycle? Was it when most of the site was inactive for a whole year and I decided the best way to get people excited about the site again was to make my whole team invincible? Was it when I traded off my best fighters? 2) Where does Bullies fall; he has JJ? Or Bulldozers with Murphy? Or Knockouts with Overeem? They all kiss my ass too? 3) And what about GAP? Does he kiss my ass, or is he part of your rebel posse? You know Gap - The only team on this site I have ever knowingly and willingly allowed to overclock a fighter? 4) What is the benefit of this cheating? Winning? At the expense of losing members due to having a corrupt league? And what universe do you live in where you can cheat at something and actually ENJOY having won, via cheating? 5) When do you propose I have time for all this cheating, when I spend almost all of my free time getting daily fucking headaches from ManMMA since I spend so much time working on it (maintenence, simming, booking, aesthetics, function, recruitment, sigs, banners, etc, etc) 6) If I am conspiring against you, why do I keep offering you suggestions and advice, even after you have told me you do not want my advice? Sim after sim, for the past 2 years, I will comment that a fighter could use ___. If he is one of yours, you almost always disagree, or ask what fight I am watching, or talk about how you know as much about MMA as me. Let's start with those questions and really dig into this. TL;DR - More Arrogant Bullshit. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 13, 2015 12:48:33 GMT -5
Like, this is a legitimate discussion that we're trying to hash out, and I feel like you're being a mosquito, buzzing into the ear when everyone is trying to sleep, waking us up, and then flying out of the room and pretending like it wasn't your fault.
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Can't we just have a fucking discussion with you pulling this "move the thread" crap cuz it's "gonna be a fight". This isn't grade school buddy.
The cycle of developing new talent is what makes ManMMA worth investing the hours a day I invest in it. 