Female Fighters and C-Box Frustrations

[The Rocketmen]

Read from Bottom Up. This is as much as possible to copy from C-Box to continue the conversation.

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The Rocketmen: I am so confused. I will make a thread to explain my confusion less than a minute ago x

The Sandmen: Until then, stop being unsatisfactory sexually to your wife 2 minutes ago

xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: You didn't... I never said you did. lol 2 minutes ago

The Sandmen: Start a thread then. 2 minutes ago

The Sandmen: You said things. That undermines the quality of any conversation. 2 minutes ago

The Rocketmen: If this was in a thread, we'd be able to quote and point to specifics. Should we make a thread? 2 minutes ago x

The Rocketmen: I don't remember writing anything that undermined your opinion in the cbox today. 2 minutes ago x

The Sandmen: I'm sure that's what your wife says nightly too. "Too soon, Mike. Jesus" 3 minutes ago

xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: I'm not meaning you specifically Mike... Though trying to make light of it in the chatterbox was kind of shitty of you and not needed when I have cut my numbers down. Just the PM would've sufficed. 3 minutes ago

The Sandmen: Too soon. 3 minutes ago

The Rocketmen: I try not to, but it's just so hard..... seriously, my jokes are a floppy mess... 3 minutes ago x

The Sandmen: That's because you touch yourself at night, Mike. 5 minutes ago

The Rocketmen: I never jumped on you because I wanted you to downsize, I only offered a trade specifically because I wanted to improve my women fighters. Just want to make that clear to the world. No one is reading this though. I'm invisible. 6 minutes ago x

xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: I'm not complaining... Just stating the facts... 6 minutes ago

The Sandmen: Thats funny. 7 minutes ago

The Sandmen: The rule came into effect because you had literally half the fighters on an entire card. That was ridiculous. Now everyone gets a fair, even amount and you complain? 7 minutes ago

xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: Up to and including trying to surpress my roster, whether it's forcing me to downsize, which I have, or your 3 fighters per card rule trying to force me to trade fighters. 7 minutes ago

The Sandmen: More #Facts 7 minutes ago

The Sandmen: Your women aren't succeeding. YOur same core are. Brock, Cruz. The people you put work into. Your legit women are not legit because they have not had the work or development they need. 7 minutes ago

xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: I just find it absolutely funny as hell that once my team actually starts to succeed a bit around here that more and more restrictions keep getting put into place to try and keep my team down. 8 minutes ago

The Sandmen: And you can see how well that worked out for you with your vast history of title wins, lmao 9 minutes ago

The Rocketmen: I feel like my trade negotiations are now dead in the water... 9 minutes ago x

xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: I'm not hindering my fighters at all... no matter how much you claim that I am. I still upgrade them with the same frequency I always have based on need and when they have fights coming up. That's never changed. 11 minutes ago

The Sandmen: Until that time, you are free to hinder your fighters all you want. It's just unfortunate when they would get major development on other teams. 13 minutes ago

The Sandmen: If it does, we'll evaluate caps if the league needs it. 13 minutes ago

xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: I may or may not have. I did make the GP under the old system too... So you can't really make that argument at all. 13 minutes ago

The Sandmen: But regardless, as you say, that is MY decision as site administrator, and you have to live with it. And you are. But your fighters are suffering, so clearly you don't care about them. And that's fine. As long as it doesn't become a league problem. 14 minutes ago

The Sandmen: Which is funny because if it weren't for that decision, you would not have made the GP last season. I didn't hear you complaining then though, funny enough. lol 14 minutes ago

xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: And that's YOU as the booker making that decision based on bullshit to keep a small sect of the site happy... That's your deal. 15 minutes ago

The Sandmen: That is how number balancing works. 15 minutes ago

The Sandmen: Read bro. I never said you alone had 33% of the division. You and Cannon combine for 33% of the division. But you have women who have not fought in about 13 events because your roster size- other smaller teams have 2 fights for a fighter this season. 15 minutes ago

xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: Not anymore anyways... If we still had only 1 women's division, that point would still be valid... try something else. 16 minutes ago

The Sandmen: Not taunting or guilting. It's a fact. When you get 3 fights per card, you don't get as many fights per fighter when you have 40 people on your team. #MathFacts 17 minutes ago *

xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: or that somehow I have 33% of the division when we have 2 women's divisions now, not just one... but you're lumping them all together still to try and make some sort of point that doesn't exist. 18 minutes ago

xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: And then you're bullshit of trying to taunt me or guilt me into trading them when you're the one making the cards and the decisions not to put them in over fictitious fight numbers per team 19 minutes ago

The Sandmen: Whatever you say mate. You wanna know why the belts aren't coming, I just told you one big reason why. Ignore it if you want, but you can't keep asking why your fighters keep sucking when other people have success. Having NOT 33% of a division is one.

The Mighty Ducks: i have a legend 2.... in ma pants! 30 minutes ago x
xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: I have 1 "legend" on my team in my women's divisions, Kedzie. That's hardly legends, plural. lol 35 minutes ago x
xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: That's on you, not me... You're the one who made that rule up yourself cuz folks were bitching about roster sizes. You're the one doing them the disservice at this point. Just facts... 37 minutes ago x
The Sandmen: Just the facts. 38 minutes ago x
The Sandmen: You have legends that should be in title tournaments. They are not upgraded well enough to be, they are not your top priority, they could be someone elses, and on another team they could have a real tournament run. They are not getting that on your team. 38 minutes ago x
The Sandmen: Some good it has done her, eh? lol. ANyways, you still have not addressed the issue of its moot - your fighters are not fighting as much as they are worthy because of your numbers. That's all I'm saying, dude. 39 minutes ago x
xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: She's had +39 put into her already 39 minutes ago x
xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: You're daft if you think that Justin... Or you just made Kedzie really shitty to start off with, because she should be only about 10 points (give or take) away from being capped if we go by the standard 44-55 points it generally takes to cap a female here 42 minutes ago x
The Mighty Ducks: nd all im sayin is that all of ur upgrade attempts don't matter becuz im better. period. 46 minutes ago x
The Sandmen: That's really all Im saying. 47 minutes ago x
The Sandmen: someone else's less-deserving fighter will get a tournament slot because of league fight balancing. It's not fair to your fighters. 48 minutes ago * x
The Sandmen: But as I said, you still have the problem of even if all your women were top 4, they would not all be in the same tournament, so you are still doing them a disservice. 48 minutes ago x
The Sandmen: Kedize is no where near capped, that is problem 1. 49 minutes ago x
xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: I haven't fucked either of them up in terms of build, even though we both thought that I had with Kedzie a while ago. For whatever reason, even when I do follow your "advice" or guidelines for upgrading, my fighters just don't have a lot success here. 50 minutes ago x
The Mighty Ducks: ur whale cum sandmen 52 minutes ago x
xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: Both Kedzie & Zingano are right near the cap already... You really don't think that it frustrates the hell out of me that they don't do better here either? Well, think again... I could give a shit if you think you're God's gift to upgrading. 54 minutes ago x
The Sandmen: valuable contribution to a real league discussion there ducks. 59 minutes ago x
The Mighty Ducks: I want all the chikz on me, not ma teem. on me. about an hour ago x
The Sandmen: I don't care what team some of these chicks are on, I just want them to be in the title picture. But even if all your women were elite, I can't do them justice there either, because I can;t have 4 fighters from 1 team in a tournament. about an hour ago x
The Sandmen: And unrelated, but from a personal perspective, it frustrates me because I look at your "depth" fighters, and I would have had someone like Kedzie or Zingano maxed out by now, having title runs. But you have more fighters and more priorities, so they wait. about an hour ago x
The Sandmen: I have to look at things from a league PoV, the league does better now if single teams do not have twice the number of women as every other team. about an hour ago x
The Sandmen: Again, I do not fault you for this, but its the reason I offered you Tate for Kedzie, and why I offered you Carano for few of your women before. about an hour ago x
The Mighty Ducks: is it trading seeson? I gots the best team bitches but if u like wat u c then come at me with an offfur about an hour ago x
The Sandmen: and want to keep your fighters,but it does them a disservice because they don't get as many fights as they would on a different team. about an hour ago x
The Sandmen: The only issue I have with it, as I said, is because you and Cannon collectively have about 33% of the female weight class, it makes booking hard. Your women fight less becuase you have other fighters in other weight classes too. So I get why you love about an hour ago x
xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: I have my 2, maybe 3, good fighters like most everyone else does, and none of them have ever been champion here. It's not like I've been dominating the women's divisions. about an hour ago x
xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: Not to mention that about 80%-85% of those women that I have, nobody else even wants anyways. So I'm not understanding why this becomes such a big issue for some folks every single season. about an hour ago x
The Rocketmen: Hey dozers, I replied to your pm about an hour ago x
xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: That's just it though... I may have the most women in the league, by sheer volume, but I've only got 5 in each women's division which is only 1 fighter above what I have in any of my men's weight classes. about an hour ago * x
The Rocketmen: I think I need to make it publicly clear that I am just trying to improve the female fighters that I have because I am weak in both those weight classes. This is in no way a ploy to attack or disrupt anyone's roster. about an hour ago x
The Sandmen: As such, if any of my fighters would help move some women around to other teams via 3-way trade or something, shoot me a message. about an hour ago x
The Sandmen: From an administrative perspective, I certainly have no problem with people having lots of fighters they like in 1 weight class. But to be honest, when it comes to booking, its really hard to balance things when 2 teams have half a weight class. about an hour ago x
The Rocketmen: haha okay there about an hour ago x
The Mighty Ducks: im fine with peeps rosters now. prolly because mines better. about an hour ago x
The Rocketmen: xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club I sent you a pm, hit me up when you get a chance about an hour ago x
xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: Newsflash: Neither are going to happen. 2 hours ago x
xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: Do you ever stop? I've had to purge my roster for the last 3-4 seasons here, and you're still complaining Byron. It's as if you're not going to be content until my roster is completely decimated or you run me right out of ManMMA... 2 hours ago x
Lord Byron's Conquistadors: ya i think I only have 2 in each f class. guys shold share the bodies not trying to stir up shit but jus sayin theres no one elft for the rest of us ya know 8 hours ago x
The Rocketmen: Cannon/Kruze any chance you guys move some women? Need some women. 13 hours ago * x
The Rocketmen: never met a charity I didn't drive heh heh (I hate myself for this stupid joke) 21 hours ago x
xx - Camp Cannon: charity drive? yesterday at 1:10am x
The Mighty Ducks: I paid for what I got, bitch Jul 6, 2016 at 3:32pm x
xx - Camp Cannon: i meant taraideded fucking rocketmen always giving away champs Jul 5, 2016 at 6:33pm x
xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club: Oh yah... he "tarded" them alright... lol Oh, wait... that was you. Jul 5, 2016 at 4:41pm x
xx - Camp Cannon: who never heard of them? lol didnt u tarde him those fighter? friggen bumbs Jul 4, 2016 at 10:21pm x
The Rocketmen: isn't lawler and melendez his fighters? so they are champions? Jul 4, 2016 at 5:47pm x
xx - Camp Cannon: your fighters will never be champions Jul 4, 2016 at 3:16pm x
The Mighty Ducks: shutup and make my fighters all champions bitches Jul 4, 2016 at 10:59am x
The Rocketmen: and now for something completely different Jul 4, 2016 at 8:33am x
The Sandmen: ...ummmmm. Ok. Jul 4, 2016 at 2:44am x
xx - Camp Cannon: i know sandmen did his vaginal discharge was seriously abnormal Jul 3, 2016 at 8:08pm x
xx - Camp Cannon: so how many of you ladies did the panty challenge.. Ban Edit Jul 3, 2016 at 8:07pm

[The Rocketmen]

So where do we go from here then? Am I still negotiating with you xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club or are we severing talks because you want no part in moving any of your women fighters (for whatever reasons you might have)?

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Jul 8, 2016 11:27:54 GMT -5 The Rocketmen said:

So where do we go from here then? Am I still negotiating with you xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club or are we severing talks because you want no part in moving any of your women fighters (for whatever reasons you might have)?

I'm not going to air it here. This is subject matter for private messages.

[The Rocketmen]

I saw and replied.

I am actually fine with everyone's roster size, but I do understand the argument that if someone builds a 10 fighter team of just 2 categories that it can be difficult for others to be like "I would like to be in that" especially when it was recently 1 division.

That said, my trade negotiations weren't to undercut anyone's roster, they were just to see who has an abundance of good women fighters? I'll reach out to them first.

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Jul 8, 2016 11:48:27 GMT -5 The Rocketmen said:

I saw and replied.

I am actually fine with everyone's roster size, but I do understand the argument that if someone builds a 10 fighter team of just 2 categories that it can be difficult for others to be like "I would like to be in that" especially when it was recently 1 division.

That said, my trade negotiations weren't to undercut anyone's roster, they were just to see who has an abundance of good women fighters? I'll reach out to them first.

That's all well and good, but, as I said to you in that PM, when I've made the effort to downsize and brought all my weight classes down to more respectable numbers per weight class: HW = 4; MW 4; LW 4; BW 5 & FW 5, when I had nearly 5 in most of the men's weight classes at one point, and overloaded in BW, so I balanced that out. I may have 5 fighters in each of the women's divisions, but I only have one good FW and maybe 2 good BWs right now out of those 10 women total, and none of them are or have ever been champions yet. So I'm really in no better position than anyone else here... it's just perceived as such because of the total number of women I have, but not when you break it down divisionally.

[xx - Former Bulldozers]

"I've only got 5 in each women's division"

KRUZE ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!! 5?!?!?!?!?!? FUCKING 5?!?!?!?!?!?!? IN EACH DIVISION?!?!?!?!?!?!? THAT'S 10 GIRLS YOU CHICK HOG!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHARE THE GIRLS!!!!!!!!!!! I CAN ONLY BE SINGLE FOR SO LONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Jul 8, 2016 12:46:44 GMT -5 xx - Former Bulldozers said:

"I've only got 5 in each women's division"

KRUZE ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!! 5?!?!?!?!?!? FUCKING 5?!?!?!?!?!?!? IN EACH DIVISION?!?!?!?!?!?!? THAT'S 10 GIRLS YOU CHICK HOG!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHARE THE GIRLS!!!!!!!!!!! I CAN ONLY BE SINGLE FOR SO LONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes ONLY 5... when the average number of fighters in any division that most teams have is about 3-4. That's not hogging anything, especially when you take into account that I only have 2-3 of those 10 fighters that are any good that win consistently and of those 2-3, only two of them are anyone that other teams would want, but why should I have to trade away my best fighters, that I actually want, when you jive turkeys could've had any women you've wanted all this time and chose to take male fighters over the women. That's not my fault, nor my problem... but it's been made into my problem cuz folks couldn't be bothered to take women themselves. So no... I'm not fucking kidding you.

[xx - Former Bulldozers]

Do you rate D'Alelio as one of those 2-3 people?

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Jul 8, 2016 13:00:11 GMT -5 xx - Former Bulldozers said:

Do you rate D'Alelio as one of those 2-3 people?

She's capped, so that qualifies her as one of my best fighters... I just don't classify her in the group that other teams would want. She's only a name fighter here because I made her that way.

[xx - Former Bulldozers]

She's not a name fighter......

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Jul 8, 2016 13:13:39 GMT -5 xx - Former Bulldozers said:

She's not a name fighter......

You mentioned her didn't you? lol That would classify her as a name fighter in ManMMA if you're mentioning her.

[The Rocketmen]

Just realized two girls I have are in the top 7 rankings for the UFC. Time to work on them.

[xx - Former Bulldozers]

Jul 8, 2016 13:14:50 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

Jul 8, 2016 13:13:39 GMT -5 xx - Former Bulldozers said:

She's not a name fighter......

You mentioned her didn't you? lol That would classify her as a name fighter in ManMMA if you're mentioning her.

I mentioned her cause that's the only chick I know on your team and I only know her because MURPHY KICKED HER ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*drops mic*

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Jul 8, 2016 14:19:59 GMT -5 xx - Former Bulldozers said:

Jul 8, 2016 13:14:50 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

You mentioned her didn't you? lol That would classify her as a name fighter in ManMMA if you're mentioning her.

I mentioned her cause that's the only chick I know on your team and I only know her because MURPHY KICKED HER ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*drops mic*

LMAO Wow... If she's really the only chick you know on my team then you really are MMA illiterate. But then again, you like Lauren Murphy... so that makes my point right there anyways.

[xx - Former Bulldozers]

Who kicked who's ass again? D'Alelio hasn't beaten Murphy yet and never will pal.