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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 9, 2016 2:15:50 GMT -5
xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club - you keep talking about a "problem I have for myself". I have no problem. You do, which is what I am trying to get you to understand here. The problem you have (or should, if you are paying attention) is that your fighters (the ones you claim to love) are missing tournaments they should be in because you only get 3 fights per card. I can't make it any more simple than that. When Brock fights, you get 2 more fights on that card. If you have 3 women who should be in the next tournament...they won't all be in it. One will, the other two will get other fights, and get left behind and someone inferior on someone elses team will get the title/tournament slot that SHOULD have gone to your fighter. But your roster size inhibits that. You cannot "be fine" with the 3 fights per card then claim I am somehow holding you back or threatening your fighters with inactivity for only giving them 3 fights per card.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 9, 2016 10:26:10 GMT -5
xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club - you keep talking about a "problem I have for myself". I have no problem. You do, which is what I am trying to get you to understand here. The problem you have (or should, if you are paying attention) is that your fighters (the ones you claim to love) are missing tournaments they should be in because you only get 3 fights per card. I can't make it any more simple than that. When Brock fights, you get 2 more fights on that card. If you have 3 women who should be in the next tournament...they won't all be in it. One will, the other two will get other fights, and get left behind and someone inferior on someone elses team will get the title/tournament slot that SHOULD have gone to your fighter. But your roster size inhibits that. You cannot "be fine" with the 3 fights per card then claim I am somehow holding you back or threatening your fighters with inactivity for only giving them 3 fights per card. 1) My roster size shouldn't be an inhibition anymore. We had folks with smaller teams take more fighters in the last draft... We had a lot of fighter movement and re-dispersal, including moves that I made myself to pare down. If you update and have a look at the team lists, I'm figuring that I'm maybe at most 3-4 fighters above the next biggest team... maybe. I'm tallying that up myself right now. 2) You're bitching about a perceived problem that the 3 fighters per card rule was designed to do. If you were really more worried about the talent being put onto your cards then that's how you'd book, but you're not... You'd prefer to blame someone else, in this case the teams being "penalized" for have a bit larger roster than some of the teams. You wanted it this way to give some fictitious balance, that doesn't exactly exist, just so that you could please 2-3 teams in the league and you could purge fighters that you don't like off your cards. So I really don't see what you're bitching about when this rule is doing what it was designed to do. 3) I actually can "be fine" and accept the 3 fighters per card thing... Doesn't mean I have to like it. So yah, I can easily complain about my fighters inactivity on YOUR cards and how you're holding my fighters back, cuz that's exactly what you're doing, except that you're not doing it to the team's division(s) that actually might be deemed as a bit of excess since we don't have a roster cap, you're doing it to the entire team. And what that does is undercut all the divisions, when I know damn well that you've been screaming for folks to take LWs and women for a number of seasons now, so by cutting the fights down to 3 fighters per card and the purging fighters from entire teams, that essentially you you don't like, like you have been, actually does hurt the league. But rather than own up to your own mistake and realize that the way you're doing it currently isn't quite right, you'd rather blame someone else for it and penalize them when they're not in any rules violations of the site.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 9, 2016 12:53:16 GMT -5
As you can see here, I'm not the only team carrying 5 fighters in one weight class, yet out of the teams that were still carrying that 5 in a weight class, only 3 team's fighters were being penalized fights last season: Last Season's Roster count & Penalized fightersPhoenix (22) = 10 fighters w/2 fights GAP (18) = 2 fighters w/2 fights Cannon (17) = effectively 3 fighters w/2 fights (Cuz Del Rio never saw another fight after being traded to Sandmen) Sandmen (17) = effectively 0 fighters w/2 fights (Cuz Del Rio never saw another fight after being traded to Sandmen) Rocketmen (16) = 0 fighters w/2 fights That's not balance, that's bias and bullshit... Not to mention WAY over scrutinizing. lol 10 fighters with only 2 fights is ridiculous when 5-6 would've been ample coverage and still kept me at the same number of fights as the rest of the pack. Especially when you're only penalizing others and not yourself or your buddy Rocketmen, when you're both carrying 5 in a weight class yourselves and are at the same roster size as Cannon FFS, but he got dinged with basically 3 fighters last year you gave yourselves 0. So, here's this year's roster counts... They're virtually the same as last year's, with few more fighters on all the smaller teams, which is nice... but if that shit like above happens again this season, then honestly... You're actually the one with the problem The Sandmen. Cuz I understand the having to have a FEW fighters, like 5-6, on my team that get cut fights due my roster size... I'm totally accepting of that. What I'm not accepting of is half my roster getting fights cut, yet you're sitting there not cutting any of your own fighter's fights, or Rocketmen's, when you have the same roster numbers as people that you are cutting fights from. That's just petty, bias bullshit on your part. Broad Street Bullies (14)BW = 2 FW = 2 HW = 3 LW = 4 MW = 3 Camp Cannon (17)BW = 3 FW = 5HW = 3 LW = 3 MW = 3 Canadian Bulldozers (14)BW = 2 FW = 3 HW = 3 LW = 3 MW = 3 Ferocity (15)BW = 3 FW = 3 HW = 3 LW = 3 MW = 3 Lord Byron's Conquistadors (16)BW = 2 FW = 2 HW = 5LW = 4 MW = 3 Phoenix Fight Club (22) BW = 5FW = 5HW = 4 LW = 4 MW = 4 Team GAP (18) BW = 2 FW = 3 HW = 5LW = 4 MW = 4 The Mighty Ducks (14) BW = 2 FW = 3 HW = 3 LW = 3 MW = 3 The RocketMen (16) BW = 2 FW = 2 HW = 4 LW = 5MW = 3 The Sandmen (17)BW = 2 FW = 2 HW = 4 LW = 4 MW = 5The Underdog Regime (17)BW = 3 FW = 3 HW = 4 LW = 3 MW = 4 West Coast Knockouts (13)BW = 3 FW = 2 HW = 3 LW = 2 MW = 3 Current ManMMA League-wide TotalsBW = 31 FW = 32 HW = 44 LW = 38 MW = 42
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jul 9, 2016 13:31:25 GMT -5
... it had nothing to do with 5 fighters in a given weight class...
it had everything to do with this:
Camp Cannon (17) BW = 3 FW = 5
Phoenix Fight Club (22) BW = 5 FW = 5
Average of 9 women
Versus League average: 4.8 per team.
Average of You and Cannon per Class: 4 and 5 fighters per female class Average of the rest of the league: 2.4 women per class.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 9, 2016 13:52:28 GMT -5
Kruzey...You own 16% of the BW division and 14% of the FW division.
No single person owns a higher percentage of a weightclass than that.
But again, that is all besides the point.
Here is my point, in a real, practical example. As it really happened just last card.
You had 2 BWs eligible to enter the BW tournament - Davis and Kedzie. Since you cannot have more than 3 fighters fight at an event, both could not participate, so Kedzie sat. If she was on literally any other team, she would have been in that tournament, competing for a belt.
Now, as an added extension to that, had you traded her to me for Tate in the offer I proposed, not only would she have been in the tournament, she would have been in that tournament with almost 20 additional upgrades and fine-tunes. You cannot say Julie Kedzie is better off now than she would have been
That is pretty much all I have been trying to say this entire time.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 9, 2016 17:14:01 GMT -5
... it had nothing to do with 5 fighters in a given weight class... it had everything to do with this: Camp Cannon (17) BW = 3 FW = 5 Phoenix Fight Club (22) BW = 5 FW = 5 Average of 9 women Versus League average: 4.8 per team. Average of You and Cannon per Class: 4 and 5 fighters per female class Average of the rest of the league: 2.4 women per class. No difference to that than your carrying of 5 LWs or Sandman and his MWs... Yet Cannon has the exact same number of fighters as Sandman, which is only one more than you, but neither of you are subject any fight cuts at all... Meanwhile nearly half my roster gets undercut in the process. That's a fucking joke. Period.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 9, 2016 18:10:00 GMT -5
Kruzey...You own 16% of the BW division and 14% of the FW division. No single person owns a higher percentage of a weightclass than that. But again, that is all besides the point. No, that is the point since Mikey owns 13.5% of the LWs in the league and you own nearly 12% of the MWs. That's effectively the difference of 1, maybe 2 fighters your case, yet I'm subject to almost half my fighters being cut fights when others in the same bracket get 3, 2 & 0?! Are you really THAT fucking petty? Here is my point, in a real, practical example. As it really happened just last card. You had 2 BWs eligible to enter the BW tournament - Davis and Kedzie. Since you cannot have more than 3 fighters fight at an event, both could not participate, so Kedzie sat. If she was on literally any other team, she would have been in that tournament, competing for a belt. Now, as an added extension to that, had you traded her to me for Tate in the offer I proposed, not only would she have been in the tournament, she would have been in that tournament with almost 20 additional upgrades and fine-tunes. You cannot say Julie Kedzie is better off now than she would have been That is pretty much all I have been trying to say this entire time. And as I've kept telling you, none of that makes any difference to me whatsoever... 1) Were not supposed to carrying more than 15 points at a time; 2) It's only going to take 10 points, at most, to cap Kedzie; 3) She's not going to need much fine tuning at all; 4) I don't care what people do with fighters if trade them to someone... And finally, I got a fighter in the tournament... She's in the finals and has a good chance of winning it... Kool. I'm happy. Cuz again, it simply comes down to your choice in how you book the cards, not anything to do with me. The easy solution there is you put them both into the tournament as my #2 & #3 fighters OR you allow a 4th fighter once in a while, 4 - 5 cards throughout the season, so that the unfair process of half my fighters getting undercut by atleast one fight every season is stopped, while still maintaining roughly the same number of fights for every team. Hell, you could give Byron some extra fights if he's only getting 55 per when the average is 63-64. It's really not that difficult, but because you want one of my fighters that I don't want to trade, for yourself or for another team, you're going to continue to make it difficult by doing this until you get what you want. Well, I don't take kindly to ultimatums... as you know. Cuz, if it's going to stay like this anyways... which it will, cuz you seem to think it's perfectly okay to cut my half rosters fights to meet your ends here, when 1/4 would be the right number if I were actually treated fairly around here... I'd honestly rather keep the fighters I like and just move on. That's also not a proposal either. The number of fighters that are being cut 1-2 fights from my team should be at 1/4 (5-6) anyways, not 1/2 at 10, which is ridiculous. That's not fair to me, nor is that really fair to the league to keep that many fighters out that much... but you'll try and sit there and pin it on me when it's you and your booking system that's causing that to happen. My roster number is atleast reasonable now compared to how it was. So I'm not going to make any apologies for balancing out my roster or paring down like I have. And who knows? If I actually get an offer I like, I may make a deal at some point... might be a small one; might be a big one. All I know for certain is that I'm not going to make a deal with a gun metaphorically pointed at my head like it is here.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 9, 2016 20:40:27 GMT -5
it simply comes down to your choice in how you book the cards, not anything to do with me. The easy solution there is you put them both into the tournament as my #2 & #3 fighters OR you allow a 4th fighter once in a while, 4 - 5 cards throughout the season, so that the unfair process of half my fighters getting undercut by atleast one fight every season is stopped, while still maintaining roughly the same number of fights for every team. Suggestion 1 - I cannot do that because other people have fights that need to happen too. When you own 16% of a weight class, that is 16% of a division of opponents that are unavailable to me once your slots are full. I offered you the chance to book some cards to see how this works, if you don't understand it based on what I have said, or if you disagree, all you can do is book cards to see what I mean. Suggestion 2 - You have always said you don't want special treatment. Giving you extra fights is special treatment. So no, you may not have special treatment, and no, you cannot have extra fights for no reason. Every extra fight you get is one fight another team doesn't get. There are 18 fighters per card. If you get an extra fighter on there, someone else loses one and goes down to 2 fighters, instead of 3. Outside of that, you would be asking me to sim more fights per card just to accomodate your roster size. Again, no. You don't want special treatment, so you may not have it. Booking works for everyone else, and only really has a noticable problem in terms of your team. Now, that being said, I was thinking this had no impact on the league, but that is not entirely correct. You having the ability to have your fighters fight once a season gives you a HUGE FiD advantage over someone with a smaller team who has theirs fight 4-5 times a season. It means you can neglect someone for about 3 seasons before they hit danger levels, when smaller teams might have to work on their teams sooner or more frequently. I don't really think that's fair, but I don't care enough to do anything about it unless other people think it is a current, pressing, or important problem. If you do, feel free to comment or PM me. But Kruzey baby - if you are happy with your team, and with quality fighters getting non-tournament fights instead of tournament fights, then more power to ya. As I said, I (and others) have just moved fighters so they would get proper TLC on other teams becuase we liked the fighter and you kinda struck me as someone who might feel the same. No biggie.
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Post by xx - The Underdog Regime on Jul 9, 2016 22:45:49 GMT -5
As I said, I (and others) have just moved fighters so they would get proper TLC on other teams becuase we liked the fighter and you kinda struck me as someone who might feel the same. No biggie.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jul 10, 2016 0:41:06 GMT -5
God dammit I love Bray Wyatt.
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Jul 10, 2016 0:42:18 GMT -5
5 fight came from two tournaments n championship fights from jojo calderwood i cant help it if your woman dont win tourneys phx
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Jul 10, 2016 0:42:46 GMT -5
Who?
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Jul 10, 2016 0:44:56 GMT -5
the next manmma champ and ufc champ didnt u see her destroy letourneu on tv in ottawa ur a fuckin noob
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 10, 2016 0:59:56 GMT -5
it simply comes down to your choice in how you book the cards, not anything to do with me. The easy solution there is you put them both into the tournament as my #2 & #3 fighters OR you allow a 4th fighter once in a while, 4 - 5 cards throughout the season, so that the unfair process of half my fighters getting undercut by atleast one fight every season is stopped, while still maintaining roughly the same number of fights for every team. Suggestion 1 - I cannot do that because other people have fights that need to happen too. When you own 16% of a weight class, that is 16% of a division of opponents that are unavailable to me once your slots are full. I offered you the chance to book some cards to see how this works, if you don't understand it based on what I have said, or if you disagree, all you can do is book cards to see what I mean. Suggestion 2 - You have always said you don't want special treatment. Giving you extra fights is special treatment. So no, you may not have special treatment, and no, you cannot have extra fights for no reason. Every extra fight you get is one fight another team doesn't get. There are 18 fighters per card. If you get an extra fighter on there, someone else loses one and goes down to 2 fighters, instead of 3. Outside of that, you would be asking me to sim more fights per card just to accomodate your roster size. Again, no. You don't want special treatment, so you may not have it. Booking works for everyone else, and only really has a noticable problem in terms of your team. Now, that being said, I was thinking this had no impact on the league, but that is not entirely correct. You having the ability to have your fighters fight once a season gives you a HUGE FiD advantage over someone with a smaller team who has theirs fight 4-5 times a season. It means you can neglect someone for about 3 seasons before they hit danger levels, when smaller teams might have to work on their teams sooner or more frequently. I don't really think that's fair, but I don't care enough to do anything about it unless other people think it is a current, pressing, or important problem. If you do, feel free to comment or PM me. But Kruzey baby - if you are happy with your team, and with quality fighters getting non-tournament fights instead of tournament fights, then more power to ya. As I said, I (and others) have just moved fighters so they would get proper TLC on other teams becuase we liked the fighter and you kinda struck me as someone who might feel the same. No biggie. You have no ground stand on with your rebuttle to suggestion 1 when you own 12% of the MWs yourself and Mike owns 13.5%, unless you're going to starting cutting his and your own fighters fights yourself. You're actually a hypocrite if you don't. Suggestion 2 isn't special treatment when it evens out the fights per team for everyone at the end of the season and makes the GP standings more accurate. It's not to accommodate anyone's roster size. You look at the sizable difference between 55 total fights & 64 fights total fights, it's pretty clear you're doing something a bit wrong with the booking there cuz Byron's got one of the league average sized roster now yet he's only got last season 55, but you & Rocketman have basically have the same number of fighters and are getting 10 more fights than he is. I don't neglect my fighters; I never have... so your point about FiD is moot. As for being happy with my team... I've said several times that I am. lol Not sure how you haven't gotten that memo. But again, "quality fighters getting non-tournament fights and not tournament fights", your FiD circumvention excuse that you're now coming up with cuz you have nothing else, all comes down to you and how you're choosing to book, and nothing else. Do I have the largest roster in ManMMA? Absolutely. Is it that much larger than the next person down from me or the average roster size of 15.5? Absolutely not... Not when you consider how many seasons we had teams that 12 fighters or less under the old PPP & booking systems. All you're doing your new booking system is creating a new problem to combat an old problem that doesn't even exist anymore. That's it. And of course I'm the target, as usual... and don't even bother trying to say that I'm not the target when I'm the only one in the league losing man-fights on 10 fighters as opposed to others losing man-fights on only 3, and you losing none, when your roster isn't much smaller than mine and your ownership of the MWs in the league is comparable to either one of my women's divisions. And then there you go with your precious little guilt trip attempt : "I (and others) have just moved fighters so they would get proper TLC on other teams becuase we liked the fighter.." I too have moved fighters myself to teams for that purpose, and to downsize my roster to where it is now. So sorry it wasn't the fighters YOU wanted me to move... lol But at the end of the day, and as I said, I don't neglect my fighters... and particularly the ones you've were trying to trade me for. They've had plenty of TLC and my fighters get their upgrades as they always have. Plus you have absolutely no basis to be sitting there telling me any of that bullshit other than your own opinion that I don't upgrade my fighter "right"... I've never lost a fighter due FiD... I've come close, but I've never lost one. Cannon's the only one that's had that dubious distinction... So why don't you go bug him and leave me the fuck alone for once?
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Post by xx - The Underdog Regime on Jul 10, 2016 1:01:20 GMT -5
God dammit I love Bray Wyatt. #NeverForget
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