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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Jul 10, 2016 20:45:52 GMT -5
I want Anderson Silva #MakeItHappen BACK OFF
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 10, 2016 23:03:16 GMT -5
You have no ground stand on with your rebuttle to suggestion 1 when you own 12% of the MWs yourself and Mike owns 13.5%, unless you're going to starting cutting his and your own fighters fights yourself. You're actually a hypocrite if you don't. xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club, I'm glad you have agreed to do what is best for the league and move some of your women and will gladly follow suit with my MWs. For anyone interested, in light of this new agreement, PM me if you are interested in any of the following: Rousimar Palhares (2-12) Ben Askren (39-33) Demian Maia (0-1) Nick Diaz (33-36) Thanks guys, and Kruze for agreeing to help spread out the weight class talent too! LMAO Wow, you're fishing now... I agreed to do no such thing, nor did I agree to do anything of that nature in what you quoted either. This just proves what I've been saying all along... you're a hypocrite and have been targeting me and my team the entire time. You're pathetic Justin.... just pathetic. lol And to think, if you hadn't been wasting your time here trying to get me to trade fighters, you could have posted and simmed a card already. Brutal buddy...
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jul 10, 2016 23:03:38 GMT -5
i am actively shopping my lightweights to get them down. This is not inspiration from this thread, but oddly worked out that way. I was going for this from the start lol anyways hit me up if you want some LW talent.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 10, 2016 23:06:21 GMT -5
i am actively shopping my lightweights to get them down. This is not inspiration from this thread, but oddly worked out that way. I was going for this from the start lol anyways hit me up if you want some LW talent. Yah, that's highly doubtful... nice attempt at recovery though.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 10, 2016 23:17:44 GMT -5
I agreed to do no such thing, nor did I agree to do anything of that nature in what you quoted either. This just proves what I've been saying all along... you're a hypocrite and have been targeting me and my team the entire time. You're pathetic Justin.... just pathetic. lol And to think, if you hadn't been wasting your time here trying to get me to trade fighters, you could have posted and simmed a card already. Brutal buddy... All talk, no action. Typical.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 10, 2016 23:28:50 GMT -5
I agreed to do no such thing, nor did I agree to do anything of that nature in what you quoted either. This just proves what I've been saying all along... you're a hypocrite and have been targeting me and my team the entire time. You're pathetic Justin.... just pathetic. lol And to think, if you hadn't been wasting your time here trying to get me to trade fighters, you could have posted and simmed a card already. Brutal buddy... All talk, no action. Typical. What talk? I didn't agree to trade, drop or do anything with any fighters except upgrade them. You just suddenly got spooked cuz I caught you on your shit, but rather than own up to it and start cutting your own fighter's individual fights, which you should have been all along if that's what was being done to me due to my fighter numbers, you're going shuffle your fighters so you don't have to and keep persecuting me when there's no issue here at all since I pared down my roster in the off-season... No issue except for your current booking technique that there's no need for anymore.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 10, 2016 23:54:36 GMT -5
if you "caught me on my shit" then what "shit" are you talking about? 5 people in a weight class? If that's the case, you agree having 5 women on your roster is "shit", and that it should be resolved. In fairness to me, though, if you look across the league for teams with only 2 MWs, you will not find one. Teams with only 2 FWs and BWs, however, there are several. Big difference there. But I'm still willing to move some bodies to teams if you are.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 11, 2016 1:03:01 GMT -5
if you "caught me on my shit" then what "shit" are you talking about? 5 people in a weight class? If that's the case, you agree having 5 women on your roster is "shit", and that it should be resolved. No, I'm not agreeing that having 5 in any weight class is shit at all... In fact, I'm fine with it. What IS shit though... is you citing that it's the reason I'm getting fighters individual fights and that you're penalizing me for it and not yourself or Mike at all, then anyone else with the same numbers as me, not nearly as much as I am. That's what's shit. In fairness to me, though, if you look across the league for teams with only 2 MWs, you will not find one. Teams with only 2 FWs and BWs, however, there are several. Big difference there. But I'm still willing to move some bodies to teams if you are. No, not really when you look at the overall numbers of women in the league and the reasons why my numbers got as high as they did when you were screaming for folks to take women and no one was. I was doing the league a favor because you asked for it, and now I'm getting penalized for it. Really doesn't make me want to do you any favors at all anymore really.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 11, 2016 1:46:53 GMT -5
You'll understand once you book some cards, as we discussed on Skype. Message me when you want to put the work in rather than the words. Until then, we're done here. Continue arguing things you don't understand all you want, but you're just making an ass of yourself with your conspiracy theories and flawed logic. I have booked more than 324 ManMMA events in contrast to your 0. Once you have done a few, then we can discuss some of the real-world problems that come from actually booking things rather than just talking about it. Until that time, as I said on Skype, best of luck with your agent and your new job, and have a good evening.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jul 11, 2016 8:39:17 GMT -5
i am actively shopping my lightweights to get them down. This is not inspiration from this thread, but oddly worked out that way. I was going for this from the start lol anyways hit me up if you want some LW talent. Yah, that's highly doubtful... nice attempt at recovery though. From my PMs with Bulldozers during our negotiations, you know, since you want proof... AND since it's in a PM WITH dozers, kind of impossible to fake this, no? What do you have in mind? I kind of have an abundance of lightweights, but I like Urijah Faber. and have an idea for a trade, might need a 3-way, want to unload another LW in the process, might get byron involved, will get back to you tomorrow, but i can guarantee michael chandler will be on your roster. Both of those messages happened BEFORE this even got talked about in the cbox...
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Jul 11, 2016 9:20:18 GMT -5
I can say that all of that is true, I was there
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 11, 2016 10:18:01 GMT -5
Yah, that's highly doubtful... nice attempt at recovery though. From my PMs with Bulldozers during our negotiations, you know, since you want proof... AND since it's in a PM WITH dozers, kind of impossible to fake this, no? What do you have in mind? I kind of have an abundance of lightweights, but I like Urijah Faber. and have an idea for a trade, might need a 3-way, want to unload another LW in the process, might get byron involved, will get back to you tomorrow, but i can guarantee michael chandler will be on your roster. Both of those messages happened BEFORE this even got talked about in the cbox... And? The trade ended up being Chandler for Faber... LW for LW. Good trade? Yes.. but that's not really shopping, that's just flipping. lol
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jul 11, 2016 10:48:57 GMT -5
The point was that I said I was continuing to lessen my abundance of LWs on my team, and I made a trade and got a LW, and am still looking to drop LWs. It wasn't what my trade was, it was my intent. You suggested I had no prior intent and those quoted pm's show that I DID have prior intent. I didn't manage to make a 3 way trade, so be it, but I did actively try.
Do you accept that or am I still an asshole?
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 11, 2016 11:27:03 GMT -5
The point was that I said I was continuing to lessen my abundance of LWs on my team, and I made a trade and got a LW, and am still looking to drop LWs. It wasn't what my trade was, it was my intent. You suggested I had no prior intent and those quoted pm's show that I DID have prior intent. I didn't manage to make a 3 way trade, so be it, but I did actively try. Do you accept that or am I still an asshole? Oh, you're still an asshole lol But I accept what you're saying... I know it's hard to make a deal at the best of times... But with my own personal downsizing of my roster, I had PLANNED to get down to 20 fighters (4 per weight class)... it just didn't work out that way because of the abundance of women I did take to help compensate when we were lean on women. So what I did was shuffle them around to balance out my 2 women's weight classes at 5 apiece and was going to use this season to evaluate them and make cuts from there, if I had to, based on their performances or if I got a deal I liked for fighters that I am okay with moving. I was told by Sandman that this was just fine after making the deal to get Letourneau (FW) in place of Young (BW) and the draft with selecting Kowalkiewicz to replace Kankaanpää & Bennett to replace Quarry. Now suddenly there's a problem again? That's bullshit. Especially when what's being cited on me as a perceived "problem" is being practiced by several other teams in the league, yet I'm the ONLY team that's being overtly penalized and pointed for this, yet for another season in a row, I have to deal with this bullshit about my roster size when it shouldn't even be a problem at all anymore now, with the expansion of other team's rosters this last off season and the shrinking of my own roster.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jul 11, 2016 11:32:10 GMT -5
This is how I interpreted it (and understand that I completely understand your reasoning to your side of things).
Everyone is floating about 3-4 fighters per weight class currently.
Most of the league only has 2 female fighters per weight class.
You and Cannon have 4-5 per each female weight class.
Instead of telling them "hey, go out and get shitty women who aren't in the league to add to your team and get to the 3-4 per women weight class" Justin's saying "Norm and Kruze should trade a couple of women away to teams low on women for points or what have you and commit those points to their remaining women."
You get the benefit of having your female fighters get more opportunities per season (because of the 3 fights per team per card system), you get points to immediately upgrade your female fighters rather than likely neglecting them as points are committed elsewhere, it fast-tracks your women development and the league average rises to 3 women per weight class instead of 2 and 4/5 for you and Norm.
That's how I see it. I don't think it's a bad idea.
As for the LWs, I'm working on making trades with folks who need an upgrade in the LW department where I can maybe get a couple of points and/or a female fighter, and everyone goes home happy.
That was my intent from the beginning. But yes, I have read all of your arguments in this debate, I totally understand what you're talking about, but no one is telling you to do anything, and definitely no one is saying you need to cut your roster down.
People are just saying "trade a woman or two away" for your OWN benefit of getting a decent return for said fighter AND getting more exposure and opportunity for your remaining women.
That's all.
Also, I accept that I am still an asshole haha
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