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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 11, 2016 12:08:27 GMT -5
This is how I interpreted it (and understand that I completely understand your reasoning to your side of things). Everyone is floating about 3-4 fighters per weight class currently. Most of the league only has 2 female fighters per weight class. You and Cannon have 4-5 per each female weight class. Instead of telling them "hey, go out and get shitty women who aren't in the league to add to your team and get to the 3-4 per women weight class" Justin's saying "Norm and Kruze should trade a couple of women away to teams low on women for points or what have you and commit those points to their remaining women." You get the benefit of having your female fighters get more opportunities per season (because of the 3 fights per team per card system), you get points to immediately upgrade your female fighters rather than likely neglecting them as points are committed elsewhere, it fast-tracks your women development and the league average rises to 3 women per weight class instead of 2 and 4/5 for you and Norm. That's how I see it. I don't think it's a bad idea. As for the LWs, I'm working on making trades with folks who need an upgrade in the LW department where I can maybe get a couple of points and/or a female fighter, and everyone goes home happy. That was my intent from the beginning. But yes, I have read all of your arguments in this debate, I totally understand what you're talking about, but no one is telling you to do anything, and definitely no one is saying you need to cut your roster down. People are just saying "trade a woman or two away" for your OWN benefit of getting a decent return for said fighter AND getting more exposure and opportunity for your remaining women. That's all. Also, I accept that I am still an asshole haha I get what you're saying, but I don't see how cutting down, say, 2 more fighters (1 from each female weight class) is going to change anything. For me, I'm still gonna have the largest roster in the league, albeit by 1 or 2 fighters depending on who I move fighters to, at 20 fighters... Now, we're still only going to be getting 3 fighters per card, and my team is still going to be looked at under the microscope because I have the largest roster, so my fighters are still going to get cut fights first before anyone else. So from a team standpoint, it's really of little benefit to me except for the points. I'm still going to be getting thrown under the bus in individual fights being cut from my fighters due to the new booking system. So, yes... I am basically being told "trade one or two of your women, or else...". Well, or else what? Nothing changes whether I do or I don't. lol That's the point.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jul 11, 2016 13:06:22 GMT -5
That's a lot of hypotheticals. And I don't think anyone else "or else". There's no ultimatums, folks are just throwing their perspective at you, that's all.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 11, 2016 13:14:32 GMT -5
That's a lot of hypotheticals. And I don't think anyone else "or else". There's no ultimatums, folks are just throwing their perspective at you, that's all. It's just as hypothetical to speculate that somehow my having 5 women in any weight class has any bearing on anything either, especially now with the higher roster counts on all teams, regardless of how many fighters anyone has.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 11, 2016 13:19:14 GMT -5
I'm also just not understanding why it seems to be Phoenix FC that's ALWAYS taking the brunt of all this shit; all the time. Even when I do downsize my entire roster, I'm still being harassed about my roster even though everyone's getting the same amount of fights now, allegedly. I'm seriously sick of it.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jul 11, 2016 13:26:29 GMT -5
No bearing on anyone else. Only a bearing on yourself, as has been explained. Honestly, I couldn't care. I wish I had some of your women over some people I have, but I'm not going to beg for you to move them and it's your own prerogative to carry more female fighters knowing they will fight less. To each their own.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 11, 2016 13:31:47 GMT -5
No bearing on anyone else. Only a bearing on yourself, as has been explained. Honestly, I couldn't care. I wish I had some of your women over some people I have, but I'm not going to beg for you to move them and it's your own prerogative to carry more female fighters knowing they will fight less. To each their own. How much more is more though? Especially when you consider that you chose to carry more LWs, whether it was intentional or not, but you didn't lose any single fights on any of your fighters at all. Does that really seem fair to you? Cuz to me that doesn't at all.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jul 11, 2016 14:03:58 GMT -5
I did lose fights... I only get 3 fights per card for a maximum of 60 fights per season.
My roster is 16 fighters. That means each of my fighters will receive 3.75 fights per season.
The argument of having an abundance of women is that you only have 2 weight classes and there are only so many tournaments, plus the 3 fights per card balance. So your women fighters will only get so many chances to fight and thus minimizes their appearances in tournaments as well.
I'm trying to get my roster to about 14-15 fighters. That would give them 4 fights each per season.
You said you're at 24 fighters?
3 fights per card times 20 cards per season is 60 fights. 60/24 means your fighters will get 2.5 fights per season.
That's just the math associated to the team size. Smaller team, more fights per season, but still same amount of fights coming from your team per card.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 11, 2016 14:12:10 GMT -5
To translate those numbers into practical ones, that would basically mean of your 16 fighters, 12 would have 4 fights, and 4 would have 3 fights. A team with 24 fighters and a 2.5 average would have 12 fighters with 2 fights, and 12 fighters with 3.
That is what makes the spread look so big. Fighters don't get 0.75 fights. That is not a thing, so it translates this way, creating numbers that look far worse than the math indicates it should.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jul 11, 2016 14:16:34 GMT -5
Thanks for explaining that part. Got busy and ended the post too soon I guess.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 11, 2016 14:24:46 GMT -5
I did lose fights... I only get 3 fights per card for a maximum of 60 fights per season. My roster is 16 fighters. That means each of my fighters will receive 3.75 fights per season. The argument of having an abundance of women is that you only have 2 weight classes and there are only so many tournaments, plus the 3 fights per card balance. So your women fighters will only get so many chances to fight and thus minimizes their appearances in tournaments as well. I'm trying to get my roster to about 14-15 fighters. That would give them 4 fights each per season. You said you're at 24 fighters? 3 fights per card times 20 cards per season is 60 fights. 60/24 means your fighters will get 2.5 fights per season. That's just the math associated to the team size. Smaller team, more fights per season, but still same amount of fights coming from your team per card. I don't mean lose fights as in Wins/Losses... I mean fighters getting cut individual fights per season. And I'm down to 22 fighters now from 27. Don't over inflate it. lol I've got enough problems...
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jul 11, 2016 14:30:10 GMT -5
I guessed, I was counting the guys you had pages for and it was like 26 or 27 and I thought you previously mentioned 24, so I went with 24.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jul 11, 2016 14:31:46 GMT -5
...but now I know...
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Jul 11, 2016 14:34:14 GMT -5
if i wanted to trade my woman i would but since i dont i wont nuff said also why should i cap a woman and give them to a team for a less value or uncapped fighter makes no sense , i like my woman more than men except jds or machida so no dice
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 11, 2016 14:51:40 GMT -5
I guessed, I was counting the guys you had pages for and it was like 26 or 27 and I thought you previously mentioned 24, so I went with 24. Fair enough, but still... since the division split with the women has happened, they need to be counted as separate too, which neither you or Sandman seem to be doing at all. I mean you say they're separate, but still seem to be lumping them together which is confusing. The argument of having an abundance of women is that you only have 2 weight classes and there are only so many tournaments, plus the 3 fights per card balance. So your women fighters will only get so many chances to fight and thus minimizes their appearances in tournaments as well. If this is true, then folks like you that have 5 LWs or Sandman having 5 MWs, etc., your fighters would be getting individual fights slashed as well because of being at that threshold, which didn't happen at all to either of you last season with both of you having 0 fighters with only 2 fights, whereas guys like GAP & Cannon got 3 & 2 fighters with only 2 fights, but I had whopping 10 fighters with 2 fights only. That's almost triple what it should have been and double what the other two guys got that had 5 in one weight class. That's not fair, any way you try to sugar-coat it. lol
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jul 11, 2016 14:54:33 GMT -5
if i wanted to trade my woman i would but since i dont i wont nuff said also why should i cap a woman and give them to a team for a less value or uncapped fighter makes no sense , i like my woman more than men except jds or machida so no dice I sent you an offer that did not involve any capped women, in fact they were terrible records. Your comment makes it seem like you and Kruze have been capping off all your female fighters left and right and thus don't want to trade them - which is both laughable and ridiculous.
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