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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Feb 2, 2020 17:58:10 GMT -5
My point is is why even bring it up? Just let them man Rest In Peace rather than bringing up his allegedly biggest mistake in life.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 2, 2020 18:10:18 GMT -5
I get that. And you can choose to not participate in the conversation.
But I want to bring it up. And I want to discuss it and explore it and look at what changed in his life from before this moment to after, and maybe what important things he did that extend beyond a basketball court and the adoration of fans.
I think Kobe is very interesting, because his case was settled out of court, and he continued his career, and he didn't really finish his storied professional career with an asterisk next to his name. Instead, he has this one black mark, but I am curious what developed from that black mark. It may not be important for you to explore, because he's dead and apparently you'd rather pretend that he never existed and never speak his name again like he's Voldermort. But I am looking forward to maybe a 30 for 30 that comes around that looks deeper into that moment, and what came after, as the story of his life off the court.
Because things like that are interesting, because people are complicated and interesting.
This thread isn't a "bash Kobe" thread. Nothing shared here has been that. Instead, a few of you have come on, saw his name, saw rape and then just assumed I'm being an asshole. I'm not. I'm saying it's healthy for people, in all of their shame and glory, to be explored and understood better. History is important. Things that happened, and things that happened because other things happened, are very important.
If you don't see that, that's fine, bail out. This isn't a conversation for you.
But coming on here and acting like the whole site needs to censor this thread because it talks about a star athlete is absurd lol
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Feb 3, 2020 14:51:14 GMT -5
How is it that rocketmen and Sandmen still believe there was a crime of rape that happened. i already said that if was confirmed that the sex was consensual and therefore not rape and it was a cheat against his wife... but she forgave him... thus it was a situation that happened but it was not criminal and it was forgiven. thus it is no longer an issue. there was no victim as sandmen and rocketmen claim. were you two there? did you guys rape her? if so then fine there is a victim if not. drop this arguement cause its stupid to argue about something that didnt happen. stop.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 3, 2020 15:07:41 GMT -5
How is it that rocketmen and Sandmen still believe there was a crime of rape that happened. i already said that if was confirmed that the sex was consensual and therefore not rape and it was a cheat against his wife... but she forgave him... thus it was a situation that happened but it was not criminal and it was forgiven. thus it is no longer an issue. there was no victim as sandmen and rocketmen claim. were you two there? did you guys rape her? if so then fine there is a victim if not. drop this arguement cause its stupid to argue about something that didnt happen. stop. Wow. Also, I'm not arguing about the alleged rape. I'm arguing that it's important to learn from mistakes, and that sometimes good things can come from terrible things, but that terrible things need to be acknowledged to also understand why the good things happened. It's all relative whether you like to think so or not. There's no arguing on whether or not it was rape - he settled out of court and literally said he understands that she felt it was non-consensual. That is literally saying "I raped her, didn't think I did, but I understand why she thinks it's rape, so I gave her money as an apology." The girl didn't want to go to trial, despite her lawyers feeling they would've won, because she was getting raked over the coals by the media protecting a star athlete... the same thing you guys are doing here. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 3, 2020 18:02:45 GMT -5
i already said that if was confirmed that the sex was consensual and therefore not rape Source? "I said," is not a source. Not to mention there was a settlement in the civil case, which by its very definition means she never agreed the sex was consensual. If anything, it means he agreed she was harmed and entitled to compensation. |
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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Feb 4, 2020 3:40:09 GMT -5
why is everyone who keeps saying forget about it hes dead also include to say he is innoncent.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Feb 6, 2020 14:19:24 GMT -5
i was trying to end it but a few people want to besmerch (i know bad spelling) a dead guy which im not cool wigh... i think because both people said it was consenual that no crime happened and if no crime happened then there is no reason to attack a dead guy...
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Feb 6, 2020 14:40:14 GMT -5
i was trying to end it but a few people want to besmerch (i know bad spelling) a dead guy which im not cool wigh... i think because both people said it was consenual that no crime happened and if no crime happened then there is no reason to attack a dead guy... Where did she say it was consensual? Please share a source. |
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Feb 7, 2020 5:12:25 GMT -5
u knoweho else was a real piece of shit andd is dead??
my great grndparents
Just awful human beangs
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 7, 2020 9:05:14 GMT -5
Gayle King getting lit up for talking about the rape allegations: Here is what Gayle asked in the middle of an interview with a WNBA star that knew Kobe: Gayle: It’s been said that his legacy is complicated because of a sexual assault charge, which was dismissed in 2003, 2004. Is it complicated for you as a woman, as a WNBA player?Lisa Leslie: It’s not complicated for me at all. Even if there’s a few times that we’ve been at a club at the same time, Kobe’s not the kind of guy—never been, like, you know, ‘Lis, go get that girl, or tell her or send her this.’ I have other NBA friends that are like that. Kobe was never like that. I just never, have ever seen him being the kind of person that would do something to violate a woman or be aggressive in that way. That’s just not the person that I know.Gayle: But Lisa, you wouldn’t see it, though. As his friend, you wouldn’t see it.Lisa Leslie: And that’s possible. I just don’t believe that. And I’m not saying things didn’t happen. I just don’t believe that things didn’t happen with force.
Those are fair questions to ask a celebrity and star female athlete about a star male athlete from the same sport. Those are fair topical questions to ask about the legacy of a related-sports star. No where in there does Gayle call him a rapist, she even enforces that the case was dismissed. She only asks if it's complicated for her as a star female athlete in basketball to review the legacy of a star male athlete in the same sport that had a sexual assault charge against her. And guess what. Leslie's reply? Also completely fair. It's the same type of answers a lot of people had regarding Weinstein as well - he didn't do anything to me, I didn't see it, it's hard to imagine he did it. But it doesn't mean it didn't happen. It doesn't mean it did happen. But criticizing and getting upset because it's part of the discussion is scary to me.
Snoop Dogg went after her on social media "Gayle King..out of pocket for that sh--. Way out of pocket. What do you gain from that? I swear to God we the worst. We the f---ing worst," Snoop said in the clip, reposted on Twitter by 50 Cent. "We expect more from you, Gail. Don't you hang out with Oprah? Why y'all attacking us? We your people. You ain't come after Harvey Weinstein asking them dumbass questions. I get sick of y'all. I wanna call you one. Is it OK if I call her one? Funky dog head b---h. How dare you try to tarnish my motherf---ing homeboy's reputation. Punk motherf---er. Respect the family and back off, b---h, before we come get you." Earlier in the day, King herself responded to criticism regarding her mentioning of Bryant's rape case in a video post, claiming that she was "mortified" and "embrassed" by the network's decision to choose that particular clip to promote her interview with Leslie. "Unbeknownst to me, my network put up a clip from a very wide-ranging interview, totally taken out of context, and when you see it that way, it's very jarring," King said. "It's jarring to me. I didn't even know anything about it. I started getting calls, 'What the hell are you doing? Why did you say this? What is happening?' I did not know what people were talking about." Gayle asked Leslie if Bryant's legacy is "complicated" because of his sexual assault charge. Leslie, a friend of Bryant's, explained why she believed the media shouldn't use this time to desecrate his reputation, especially after his death.
What a fucked up world we live in, that talking about a rape allegation is now a racism topic. OJ? Really think about what you're supporting if you think that silencing a discussion about someone's life is the right thing to do, and will attack people socially, maybe even physically, for it, and others are uttering death threats online. Reminds me of something, but I can't quite put my finger on it...  Oh, right... that.
Here is a great take on this whole thing, if you read nothing else from what I have above and just read one part, read this:As Bryant’s friend, Leslie has the right to her memories and recollections of the man. What is worth pushing back on is the notion that Leslie has the authority to dictate how Bryant should and should not be remembered. No one person, no one article, no one interview can do that.
The honest assessment of Bryant’s history involves a rape charge not simply because this act of violence may have happened (and someone very famous and beloved may have done it), but because it had a real impact on real lives. |
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Feb 7, 2020 9:25:34 GMT -5
I'm sorry but why would you even ask one of Kobe's friends that in an interview? Makes zero sense to do so besides wanting to push your own agenda.
She was his friend and I can bet all she wanted to do was remember his legacy, not get asked about a charge he was never even found guilty of doing.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 7, 2020 12:31:09 GMT -5
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Feb 7, 2020 13:06:53 GMT -5
Mike whether you like it or not, that's the truth. How would you feel if something bad happened to Justin and all they asked you about was the one major mistake he made that wasn't even proven true?
The majority of the population wouldn't like it.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 7, 2020 13:38:09 GMT -5
It's a fair question to ask about him, and I would answer it.
If my job was making films, and Justin made films, and Justin did something that was significantly in the public eye, and Justin came out and said he didn't feel it went that way, but understood why the victim felt it was and they settled out of court, and then someone asked me if it affected my relationship with Justin or complicated it, I would be able to answer that question however I felt, and they are permitted to ask that question.
It's a question. It's not an implication. It's a question.
This whole thread is literally "we are allowed to question the legacy of people". And some of you are like "nah bro".
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Feb 7, 2020 13:49:36 GMT -5
It's a fair question to ask about him, and I would answer it. If my job was making films, and Justin made films, and Justin did something that was significantly in the public eye, and Justin came out and said he didn't feel it went that way, but understood why the victim felt it was and they settled out of court, and then someone asked me if it affected my relationship with Justin or complicated it, I would be able to answer that question however I felt, and they are permitted to ask that question. It's a question. It's not an implication. It's a question. This whole thread is literally "we are allowed to question the legacy of people". And some of you are like "nah bro". You'd be okay with somebody asking you that right after he died? Cause I'm not as close to Justin as you are and I'd be pretty pissed if somebody wanted to bring that up while I was grieving. |
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