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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 14, 2014 18:42:04 GMT -5
I'm in the same boat. I'd rather be able to improve a weaker fighter in hopes of being a one-day contender than knowing that it will never ever happen with this suggestion.
Now that another "rejected" is thrown on the pile, I expect a long reply about how I have sex with Justin and always share his opinion, which is totally false. I don't always share his opinion.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 14, 2014 19:08:11 GMT -5
K, now I will weigh in on the ACTUAL suggestion then. I hate it. And here's why. The current cap levels the playing field. Most people can afford to upgrade 1 fighter to max over time. But when you start charging 4-5 points for an upgrade to get into the best of the best territory, people like Knockouts will never have an elite fighter again, and people like Cannon, Sandmen, and Phoenix will control the titles forever. Christ, some people haven't earned 5 points over 2 full seasons. The disparity would be huge! I have more reasons, but that one alone is enough for me to vote a strong no on this one. I see what you're saying but disagree on the points that folks would never have elite fighters and that you, me and Cannon would control the titles forever. Cuz for me personally as it pertains to D'Alelio since she's my only capped fighter, I'd only go up to maybe the end of the 1st level with her cuz there's really only a a small few tweaks that I want to make to her now and paying 1 extra point to put 1 point in is worth it. But once I got to having to pay 2+ points, that's when it gets to be not worth it IMO and I'd stop at that point anyways unless I had the points to burn, and with the size of my team now, I don't have points to burn cuz I do have fighters on my team that need way more attention than Sarah does. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 14, 2014 19:22:35 GMT -5
I'm in the same boat. I'd rather be able to improve a weaker fighter in hopes of being a one-day contender than knowing that it will never ever happen with this suggestion. Now that another "rejected" is thrown on the pile, I expect a long reply about how I have sex with Justin and always share his opinion, which is totally false. I don't always share his opinion. Nah dude... I only come after you when you're being a complete douche. lol  And other than putting words in my mouth again, you're not being a douche here. But while you don't ALWAYS share Justin opinion, you do however share his opinion a fair bit though and it does seem that you just go along with whatever he says a majority of the time without it seeming like you have much of a thought of your own on things... and that's not meant to start an argument man. That's just an observation and the reason why I refer to you two as "life partners" sometimes. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 14, 2014 19:41:53 GMT -5
Cuz for me personally as it pertains to D'Alelio since she's my only capped fighter, I'd only go up to maybe the end of the 1st level For you, exactly. You and I both know, we pull the cap on Rousey, every single point Cannon earns goes into her and she becomes a 90. Then Carano becomes a 90 to keep up, and D'Alelio becomes a 90 to keep up, and exactly what I said would happen happens. The 3 biggest posters on the site have the 3 best fighters and no one can ever catch up. |
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Post by xx - The Underdog Regime on Feb 14, 2014 19:46:17 GMT -5
Cuz for me personally as it pertains to D'Alelio since she's my only capped fighter, I'd only go up to maybe the end of the 1st level For you, exactly. You and I both know, we pull the cap on Rousey, every single point Cannon earns goes into her and she becomes a 90. Then Carano becomes a 90 to keep up, and D'Alelio becomes a 90 to keep up, and exactly what I said would happen happens. The 3 biggest posters on the site have the 3 best fighters and no one can ever catch up. And Cyborg would become my biggest priority instead of Lashley, which is like to keep it as is right now. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 14, 2014 20:34:26 GMT -5
Cuz for me personally as it pertains to D'Alelio since she's my only capped fighter, I'd only go up to maybe the end of the 1st level For you, exactly. You and I both know, we pull the cap on Rousey, every single point Cannon earns goes into her and she becomes a 90. Then Carano becomes a 90 to keep up, and D'Alelio becomes a 90 to keep up, and exactly what I said would happen happens. The 3 biggest posters on the site have the 3 best fighters and no one can ever catch up. Technically it's not pulling the cap, but I do agree that Cannon would be the one stupid enough to pay 5 points to put 1 point into Rousey. lol I'm also not saying this suggestion was without flaw either. Even if it were to be a soft cap from 77-80 where we pay 2 points to put 1 point in then hard cap it at 80, that would be sufficient, I believe... but as we discussed when we were bringing in the hard cap, I really do think the caps are a touch too low, even for what we were trying to accomplish by bringing them in. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 14, 2014 20:47:42 GMT -5
I think the cap numbers are absolutely perfect, to be honest with you. The women come in lower than the men due to less fights, exposure, experience, opportunities, etc. With the numbers, they take a little more points to cap compared to men, which gives you more customization room. They are at a good spot. Also, you mentioned 77 somewhere above, I believe. That is not the max-out number for women.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 14, 2014 20:59:37 GMT -5
I think the cap numbers are absolutely perfect, to be honest with you. The women come in lower than the men due to less fights, exposure, experience, opportunities, etc. With the numbers, they take a little more points to cap compared to men, which gives you more customization room. They are at a good spot. Also, you mentioned 77 somewhere above, I believe. That is not the max-out number for women.That's exactly what you told me it was when you put it into effect. So either you lied, you weren't clear with me when we were discussing it (which opens up a whole other can of worms) or you're lying about it now to keep it a secret. Either way, you told me it was 77. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 14, 2014 21:01:39 GMT -5
You are mistaken. The site clearly says what the caps are, and 77 is not the cap for women.
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Post by Ferocity on Feb 14, 2014 21:12:14 GMT -5
ok, despite all the in fighting, I want to say that I think I understand what @phoenix wants- to be able to do something with capped fighters.
What about instead of being able to traditionally upgrade, you could spend points on the same scale Phoenix suggested to CHANGE THE POINT ALLOCATION YOU HAVE ALREADY MADE.
For example (this is a pretend example, so for fuck sakes don't tell me Kaufman's not capped ect):
I put all my points into Kaufman's punching. She reaches the cap level. She can't beat Carano, because I fucked up and she needs take down defense and less punching.
I can spend 2 points- 1 point for making the change (a minus one punch, and plus one take down defense), and 1 point for the actual take-down defense. I can do this twice.
Then it costs me more. 3 points (a two point cost for the change)+(cost of the new allocation)
Does this make any sense to anyone else?
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 14, 2014 21:12:53 GMT -5
I haven't seen a post stating the cap levels, but I'm not mistaken as to what you told me. We had a long debate over it where I wanted it at 80 and you wanted it at 77. If you changed your mind after, you didn't tell me.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 14, 2014 21:23:25 GMT -5
ok, despite all the in fighting, I want to say that I think I understand what @phoenix wants- to be able to do something with capped fighters. What about instead of being able to traditionally upgrade, you could spend points on the same scale Phoenix suggested to CHANGE THE POINT ALLOCATION YOU HAVE ALREADY MADE. For example (this is a pretend example, so for fuck sakes don't tell me Kaufman's not capped ect): I put all my points into Kaufman's punching. She reaches the cap level. She can't beat Carano, because I fucked up and she needs take down defense and less punching. I can spend 2 points- 1 point for making the change (a minus one punch, and plus one take down defense), and 1 point for the actual take-down defense. I can do this twice. Then it costs me more. 3 points (a two point cost for the change)+(cost of the new allocation) Does this make any sense to anyone else? KAUFMAN'S NOT CAPPED! lol  (j/k) Ummm... I think I get what you're saying there, but that's similar to what was suggested with the respecs, just on a smaller scale. For me, I'm not saying I fucked anything up with D'Alelio or that I gave too much of something. In fact she fights almost exactly how I want her to, except that she just needs some small tweaks to a couple of her defensive attributes. Otherwise, she almost dead balls perfect. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 14, 2014 21:24:46 GMT -5
Does this make any sense to anyone else? Yes, because someone else already suggested it, and 2 variations have been proposed and discussed |
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Post by Ferocity on Feb 14, 2014 21:30:07 GMT -5
ah, I will have to go look for that. Must have missed it.  That's what happens when you don't make it on every day, you miss important shit. Sorry if I stepped on any toes. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 14, 2014 22:10:52 GMT -5
My toes are bleeding. You should be sorry.
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And other than putting words in my mouth again, you're not being a douche here. But while you don't ALWAYS share Justin opinion, you do however share his opinion a fair bit though and it does seem that you just go along with whatever he says a majority of the time without it seeming like you have much of a thought of your own on things... and that's not meant to start an argument man. That's just an observation and the reason why I refer to you two as "life partners" sometimes. 
(j/k)
That's what happens when you don't make it on every day, you miss important shit. Sorry if I stepped on any toes.
Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!