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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 22, 2014 16:35:05 GMT -5
Damn. I assumed you weren't being an asshole and here I was, wrong again.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 22, 2014 17:12:40 GMT -5
Damn. I assumed you weren't being an asshole and here I was, wrong again. Well, that's where you would have assumed right for a change. lol Bravo. Look, the title of this thread is "Productive Post-Count Discussion". Why do points I bring up have to be construed as complaining all the time? They aren't always complaining. Here I'm just pointing out things folks aren't looking at because they're too focused on one aspect of the situation and are ignoring every other factor involved. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 22, 2014 17:15:45 GMT -5
Damn. I assumed you weren't being an asshole and here I was, wrong again. Well, that's where you would have assumed right for a change. lol Bravo. Oh, ok, cool. |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Feb 22, 2014 17:31:04 GMT -5
Right, that's why EVERYONE totally rejected that idea. I mean, when the MAJORITY of people on a site want something it should completely be rejected. I mean, when TWO people think it's stupid it's a horrible idea. And when ONE person hates it the most, then asks for his own post count to go up as a way to "get back" at someone else, and that other person just agrees to do it, and two others who don't have to say they would too, then we should TOTALLY can that idea. Dude. Get a hobby. No, the reason there's a majority is that the majority is looking at only ONE aspect of this entire situation when there's more to it than just the post count/post volume dude. The fact that it only affected me to start with, is actually a problem and pretty significant when folks like yourself & Cannon "volunteer" to go up to 100 posts/point just so that I remain at 100 posts. It just proves that politics is more than just a minor factor here because when I offered my side of things, AND offered the facts to back it up, it's automatically refuted and chalked up as me complaining or bitching about it when really complaining about it is only a small part of it. Cuz while it's true that I never liked being at 100 posts/point, I did see SOME merit to it to begin with because of my post volume, even though I did also take measures, on my own, to combat that aspect of it and still folks were still focused on the the amount of posts/points and not that I had more fighters to spread those points around to, nor the fact that I elected to somewhat power upgrade one of my weaker fighters and putting most of those points into her rather than the rest of my team, allowing others to "catch up" and, as Cannon put it, "get too strong; too fast". Now we're starting to see that we're getting to the flip area where folks are "catching up" with the significant jumps made by teams like Cannon & GAP last season, that were on par with me in previous season and now are among the top teams in the league. This is repetition, but I've been in the league for 6 1/2 seasons. In that time I've only made 3 GP appearances, and been at or near the bottom of the league in the remaining 4 season. I've only had 2 champions, and I built neither of them to be champions myself; I acquired both of them just prior to them winning their titles. All my other fighters up to this point have either struggled to get wins, I've messed up their upgrades somehow (Kedzie), or they've just plain sucked and I've had to replace them with better personnel, and even then, that's never consistently translated to a top 5 finish. If I was dominating the league like Sandman does every season, then I could see how folks could be complaining, but honestly, I'm really having a hard time seeing how my team is somehow this "powerhouse" and folks are having difficulty "catching up" when I'm seasonally one of the worst Win% teams in the league. It doesn't add up. i got guys like gsp,matt hughes ,condit,machida rousey and holms is how i finished 1st they all came close to or won tourneys this season my team depends on 6 of the 17 fighters i have.. if i had 25 fighter im sure id be in last place with you as well |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 22, 2014 18:34:01 GMT -5
No, the reason there's a majority is that the majority is looking at only ONE aspect of this entire situation when there's more to it than just the post count/post volume dude. The fact that it only affected me to start with, is actually a problem and pretty significant when folks like yourself & Cannon "volunteer" to go up to 100 posts/point just so that I remain at 100 posts. It just proves that politics is more than just a minor factor here because when I offered my side of things, AND offered the facts to back it up, it's automatically refuted and chalked up as me complaining or bitching about it when really complaining about it is only a small part of it. Cuz while it's true that I never liked being at 100 posts/point, I did see SOME merit to it to begin with because of my post volume, even though I did also take measures, on my own, to combat that aspect of it and still folks were still focused on the the amount of posts/points and not that I had more fighters to spread those points around to, nor the fact that I elected to somewhat power upgrade one of my weaker fighters and putting most of those points into her rather than the rest of my team, allowing others to "catch up" and, as Cannon put it, "get too strong; too fast". Now we're starting to see that we're getting to the flip area where folks are "catching up" with the significant jumps made by teams like Cannon & GAP last season, that were on par with me in previous season and now are among the top teams in the league. This is repetition, but I've been in the league for 6 1/2 seasons. In that time I've only made 3 GP appearances, and been at or near the bottom of the league in the remaining 4 season. I've only had 2 champions, and I built neither of them to be champions myself; I acquired both of them just prior to them winning their titles. All my other fighters up to this point have either struggled to get wins, I've messed up their upgrades somehow (Kedzie), or they've just plain sucked and I've had to replace them with better personnel, and even then, that's never consistently translated to a top 5 finish. If I was dominating the league like Sandman does every season, then I could see how folks could be complaining, but honestly, I'm really having a hard time seeing how my team is somehow this "powerhouse" and folks are having difficulty "catching up" when I'm seasonally one of the worst Win% teams in the league. It doesn't add up. i got guys like gsp,matt hughes ,condit,machida rousey and holms is how i finished 1st they all came close to or won tourneys this season my team depends on 6 of the 17 fighters i have.. if i had 25 fighter im sure id be in last place with you as well That's exactly my point Cannon. Everyone's so focused on my post count and post volume that they aren't seeing the steps that I actually have taken to counter act that in conjuction with the concessions the league has made for these lower posting teams. In reality, my team actually relies on a similar number of fighters to carry us as anyone else; in fact, 1 less... Lesnar, Franklin, Cruz, Davis & D'Alelio. I get lucky when fighters like Brown, Budd, Gusty, Danzig & MacDonald, etc. have even decent to average seasons, and even then, when those ones are firing and a guy like Franklin sputters like last season, I'm still at the bottom. I'm seeing why folks are worried about the post counts & volume, but several steps have been taken to counter act those things over the last 3-4 seasons that are being completely ignored by a majority of folks, up to and including the concessions made by the league to help this issue. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 22, 2014 18:49:10 GMT -5
Good talk. If you don't like it, you can quit. If you're not quitting, then you can like it.
Insert random Kruze comment: "I'm not quitting. Oh why don't YOU quit."
blah blah, drunk kruze, clubbing, tanya harding, cock sucker.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Feb 22, 2014 19:12:53 GMT -5
Good talk. If you don't like it, you can quit. If you're not quitting, then you can like it. Insert random Kruze comment: "I'm not quitting. Oh why don't YOU quit." blah blah, drunk kruze, clubbing, tanya harding, cock sucker. This attitude is not productive for trying to come up with a solution to the problem. Just because you like the current idea for how to solve the issue.. don't try and come down on others who are trying to come up with a better idea. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 22, 2014 19:24:28 GMT -5
…because outside of YOU and KRUZE the entire league already found a solution...
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 22, 2014 19:44:58 GMT -5
This attitude is not productive for trying to come up with a solution to the problem. Just because you like the current idea for how to solve the issue.. don't try and come down on others who are trying to come up with a better idea. I have not seen a single "other idea" presented here. In fact, the closest thing I have got to anything like that was a private PM, that consisted of "This isn't fair", where no alternative was presented. If you have an alternative, present it here. If you are just complaining about this season's change, email it to my recycling bin. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 22, 2014 20:11:00 GMT -5
This is a good lesson in the employment field as well. If there is a problem, rather than simply pointing at the problem and yelling "Hey, this is a problem!" There is a more professional way to resolve it - like presenting the problem with a resolution. Got a resolution? No problem! No resolution, and you're just a guy pointing at a problem.
For instance, the constant criticism over the league making a choice to resolve this issue is Kruze and GAP being a problem. Instead of me just saying "you guys are problems on this site" I simply add a resolution - embrace the idea, and chill OR quit. No one is forcing you to be here.
I'd personally prefer if you guys stuck around, so embrace my first offering of a resolution - accept it, and move on. Can't move on? Then I guess we have a problem.
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 22, 2014 20:22:33 GMT -5
Rocketmen's post might come across as a bit trolly at first, but I really think its not. At its core, he's hit the nail on the head. We are all part of the same community here, and are obviously able to co-exist, of not completely cooperate. We just need to work on exactly what he said - is there a problem? If yes, propose a way to resolve it. If no, move on. So let's do that.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 22, 2014 21:54:08 GMT -5
It's not like this was "resolved" all that professionally either fellas. No other points were even considered other than post counts & volume before a decision was handed down just "this is the way we're doing it, so too bad".
As to a solution, I did say I wanted this season to prove to you folks that being at 50 posts/point wasn't going to be an issue or that bad, but none of you would hear of it cuz "you post too much" and "we'll never catch up", except that I'm the one that's falling behind now.
I think we should be leaving it alone for this season and see if there really is an issue or not, not just saying that because I have 8000+ posts now makes it a problem without any facts to back it up.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 23, 2014 1:08:44 GMT -5
Because your suggestion did not address the issue. The issue is that some people have low posts and those with high posts get more points and thus improve their fighters better, thus making the low-posting people WHO STILL WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS SITE AND PARTICIPATE and should not be judged for how little they CAN participate and instead be praised for even PARTICIPATING on a site this small - their fighters upgrading at a glacial pace makes them basically obsolete before they even fight. You saying "just give me 50 posts and you'll see" it's an answer to ANY question that was posed. That's just you saying gibberish and not LISTENING to the problem. I don't understand what isn't clear to you about this issue. Multiple ideas were posted, including post count for points skewing and avg. posts per day. Let's add your idea to the mix: EVERYBODY, STOP THE PRESSES, KRUZE HAS AN IDEA: As to a solution, I did say I wanted this season to prove to you folks that being at 50 posts/point wasn't going to be an issue or that bad WOW, PROBLEM SOLVED. ... I don't know to what problem that is a solution for, but by golly, Kruze has done it. Bravo. Everyone applaud. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 23, 2014 14:21:45 GMT -5
Because your suggestion did not address the issue. The issue is that some people have low posts and those with high posts get more points and thus improve their fighters better, thus making the low-posting people WHO STILL WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS SITE AND PARTICIPATE and should not be judged for how little they CAN participate and instead be praised for even PARTICIPATING on a site this small - their fighters upgrading at a glacial pace makes them basically obsolete before they even fight. You saying "just give me 50 posts and you'll see" it's an answer to ANY question that was posed. That's just you saying gibberish and not LISTENING to the problem. I don't understand what isn't clear to you about this issue. Multiple ideas were posted, including post count for points skewing and avg. posts per day. Let's add your idea to the mix: EVERYBODY, STOP THE PRESSES, KRUZE HAS AN IDEA: As to a solution, I did say I wanted this season to prove to you folks that being at 50 posts/point wasn't going to be an issue or that bad WOW, PROBLEM SOLVED. ... I don't know to what problem that is a solution for, but by golly, Kruze has done it. Bravo. Everyone applaud. And then you wonder why I get pissy and lash out at you after you post these insulting, sarcasm laden, douche bag responses towards me all over the fucking site, then cry about it after saying I started it... Are fucking serious? I didn't attack you. This is supposed to be a discussion for crissakes. If you don't like my suggestion, that's fine... but it's shit like this that just continues the bullshit that goes on here on the site. You say I'm always the problem? No sir, not always... It's these asshole posts of yours that are a massive part of the problem bud. But you expect that I'm just going keep quiet and let you pull this shit, not happening. You want this shit to stop, then grow a brain and stop engaging me with this bullshit and say something intelligent for once. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 23, 2014 14:53:20 GMT -5
And you wonder why the league gets bored when you post a paragraph offering nothing of value.
Anyways, you're not going to stop if someone replies to your nonsense so I'm just done with this thread.
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