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Post by The Sandmen on Jun 10, 2014 20:30:16 GMT -5
If The Sandmen is just gonna not tell people about it, it should be taken out It's clearly written on the sign up page. And I discourage it when I can. I am just saying, I can only do so much here guys. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jun 11, 2014 2:56:59 GMT -5
no need for expansion draft... that is why we are able to use points to better our teams and you can always trade to get a better fighter for your team.. people who have the best teams should be the ones thinking about helping out if someone approaches them for charity though.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jun 11, 2014 3:27:35 GMT -5
people who have the best teams should be the ones thinking about helping out if someone approaches them for charity though. What if someone new comes to a shitty team and says one of their fighters is the new teams favourite fighter? Do shitty teams have the same obligation to help out with charity if a matter of preference is involved, over quality of fighter? Because the expansion draft also allows room for that - picking guys you LIKE, rather than guys who are simply LEFT. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jun 11, 2014 7:24:37 GMT -5
Isn't this site supposed to be about building your fighters?
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jun 11, 2014 8:43:53 GMT -5
I like the expansion draft.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jun 11, 2014 13:12:04 GMT -5
Isn't this site supposed to be about building your fighters? It's about having fun with fantasy MMA. I have fun with guys I like. I don't care if they are good or not. I am like this on all sim sites I am a part of. If I joined this site now, without any charity trades, I would have a hard time having fun here. That's my main concern for any prospective new members. I'll go with whatever the vote decides, and if we abolish the expansion draft, I'll give new teams more points. But that doesn't really solve the core of my problem with that system, which is lack of options. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jun 11, 2014 13:28:22 GMT -5
You recieved all the points you had when you left, which was more than double that of a regular new team bonus. Since you chose to leave, you forfeit your original team members, and any compensation you would have received for them. The extra points were your bonus. c) None of the above. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jun 11, 2014 13:51:39 GMT -5
Isn't this site supposed to be about building your fighters? It's about having fun with fantasy MMA. I have fun with guys I like. I don't care if they are good or not. I am like this on all sim sites I am a part of. If I joined this site now, without any charity trades, I would have a hard time having fun here. That's my main concern for any prospective new members. I'll go with whatever the vote decides, and if we abolish the expansion draft, I'll give new teams more points. But that doesn't really solve the core of my problem with that system, which is lack of options. Just for myself personally... 1) I haven't been exactly having the most fun or an easy go of things for the better part of 4 seasons now with all the restrictions on my PPP, etc. I'm actually looking forward to next season's lower PPP for everyone cuz this has been brutal and my team has suffered immensely for it. I don't dislike the fighters on my team, I just haven't been able to upgrade properly for a long time. 2) There's still some really decent fighters out there on either of the FA lists whether the swap or the new list. I don't see it as being any harder than I had it when I joined and took mostly an all new team. In fact, I see it as them having an easier for them with the new PPP counts coming in. 3) I'm not opposed to making trades with new teams, or anyone for that matter, and even taking a little bit of a hit on the deal with the new teams, but being that I really never got one of these "charity deals" myself, other than the Brock deal which was only charity in the sense of the fighter I got and not the price I paid for him, I'm not about to sell myself or my team short after having bite, claw and gnash my way to even the position my team is now in the league. I figure if new teams want certain fighter then they can trade for them or obtain them through auction like I had to. And granted, not everyone's had the exact same experience I've had in building my team, but I had to earn what I've built, it wasn't just handed to me, so the expansion draft has always been a no for me. Others may feel differently, that's just my take from my own point of view. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jun 11, 2014 13:57:10 GMT -5
But xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club, your team is a great example. You like your team becuase you have a team of people you like. NOT a team of the best fighters to ever fight in MMA. Now, pretend Cannon had your team when you joined, and would never trade you any of your favourite fighters. YOu could have a GOOD team from the FA list (just as now if you wanted you can have a better team if you swap half your fighters for good FAs), but you cannot have the team you know and love. Again, the heart of my issue lies with that. Yes, you can upgrade any fighters into GOOD fighters, but some people (like you and I) like specific fighters, and it doesn't matter how many champions we are offered, we would prefer other people in their stead. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jun 11, 2014 14:00:20 GMT -5
But xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club, your team is a great example. You like your team becuase you have a team of people you like. NOT a team of the best fighters to ever fight in MMA. Now, pretend Cannon had your team when you joined, and would never trade you any of your favourite fighters. YOu could have a GOOD team from the FA list (just as now if you wanted you can have a better team if you swap half your fighters for good FAs), but you cannot have the team you know and love. Again, the heart of my issue lies with that. Yes, you can upgrade any fighters into GOOD fighters, but some people (like you and I) like specific fighters, and it doesn't matter how many champions we are offered, we would prefer other people in their stead. Beautiful. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jun 11, 2014 14:53:49 GMT -5
But xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club, your team is a great example. You like your team becuase you have a team of people you like. NOT a team of the best fighters to ever fight in MMA. Now, pretend Cannon had your team when you joined, and would never trade you any of your favourite fighters. YOu could have a GOOD team from the FA list (just as now if you wanted you can have a better team if you swap half your fighters for good FAs), but you cannot have the team you know and love. Again, the heart of my issue lies with that. Yes, you can upgrade any fighters into GOOD fighters, but some people (like you and I) like specific fighters, and it doesn't matter how many champions we are offered, we would prefer other people in their stead. To a point, but I like Bader allot too and I still traded him. Most of the fighters I have right now I'd consider trading if I was getting the return I feel they're worth; probably only Brock, MacD, Cruz, D'Alelio, Budd and maybe Brown I wouldn't consider moving at all, but even then if I was given an offer I couldn't refuse, with probably exception of Brock, D'Alelio & MacD, I'd consider moving anyone for a price. The problem I face with that is most folks don't value them the same as I do, whether it's because they've never heard of them, don't think highly of them or they're not taking into account that I have invested in nearly all of them and, to me, the value is different on each one. I want champions as much as the next team, but my biggest issue is with upgrading right now. If I had the points I should've had for the past 3-4 seasons, I'd be allot more happy that my fighters were atleast competitive and not in the state of flux they're in right now because I can't upgrade without points. Everyone's been so worried about holding me back and my team getting good too fast, but in the process it's held me back eons behind everyone else that have stuck around. That's not fun for me when I see everyone around me getting better and my team just stays the same. You've more than succeeded and exceeded holding my team back and it's gotten to the point where I'm all but ready to give up. Not because I don't like my team, but because I'm so far behind everyone else except maybe Cor's new team, that it's going to take me about as long to recover as the time folks spent restricting my team and my points. Next season's going to help and speed that up a little bit, but I'm more concerned about the existing members of this site than I am about new members. For most of us, we've spent time building our teams to the point they're at and I just don't like the idea of making that time we've spent all for not by some newb coming in and picking over my team for free after most of us have already spent hundreds of points on our fighters. I don't think that's right. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jun 11, 2014 15:07:08 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with PPP, though. It's about fighters and teams.
Now, by your own admission, there are a core of fighters you would consider untouchable, and a core you would move. This is the same philosophy as an expansion draft. You keep your loved ones, risk losing your "liked" ones. But rather than charging a brand new team an arm and a leg for these fighters, they have a chance to grow by getting them for free so they can start a new team here with everyone elses B-level fighters and start having fun, rather than having to trade a ton of points off the bat to get B-level fighters, and being behind from the get-go.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jun 11, 2014 15:16:11 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with PPP, though. It's about fighters and teams. Now, by your own admission, there are a core of fighters you would consider untouchable, and a core you would move. This is the same philosophy as an expansion draft. You keep your loved ones, risk losing your "liked" ones. But rather than charging a brand new team an arm and a leg for these fighters, they have a chance to grow by getting them for free so they can start a new team here with everyone elses B-level fighters and start having fun, rather than having to trade a ton of points off the bat to get B-level fighters, and being behind from the get-go. There is, but I've invested in other fighters on my team as well that I don't want to just give away for nothing. Guys like Rocketmen, etc. are all about that, and that's kool... that's their thing and they're more than entitled to do that. Call it selfish all you want... I don't care, but I didn't anything for free in this league, so I'm not about to go and vote for giving anyone else anything for free. As I said, I'm not oppose to giving them a bit of a deal cuz they're new, but not for free; not my thing. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jun 11, 2014 15:27:37 GMT -5
but I didn't anything for free in this league We're not turning this into THIS debate, but that's hogwash. You were charity-traded Brock Lesnar. First he was offered to you for 3 points and a pick, then he was given to you for 4 points and a pick. Getting a champion for 4 points is a STEAL, and it would be insulting for you to claim you were given no charity. Also, you got Rich Franklin in a post-auction swap (so that was free, and an option not available to new teams). Everyone here has had some charity, or they were here at the start and got to pick from anyone. New people will no longer have that. That is what the focus of this discussion is. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jun 11, 2014 15:38:17 GMT -5
but I didn't anything for free in this league We're not turning this into THIS debate, but that's hogwash. You were charity-traded Brock Lesnar. First he was offered to you for 3 points and a pick, then he was given to you for 4 points and a pick. Getting a champion for 4 points is a STEAL, and it would be insulting for you to claim you were given no charity. Also, you got Rich Franklin in a post-auction swap (so that was free, and an option not available to new teams). Everyone here has had some charity, or they were here at the start and got to pick from anyone. New people will no longer have that. That is what the focus of this discussion is. Brock was NOT a charity trade considering I paid FULL price +1 (5 points) for him at the time. That's NOT charity and not even remotely close to the charity deals we've seen recently up to and including the "gifting" of Randy Couture to the Bullies. Besides, you say he's a champion but he hasn't won a single one since his only championship win here, so that point is moot. So don't sit there and tell me that was a charity deal, cuz it wasn't at all. Swapping fighters and auctioning fighters isn't for free... you're still paying a fighter or points to acquire said fighter. How is that for free? Oh, wait... it's not.  lol That option is just as available to a new team as it is to anyone else, even moreso due to the fact that they can pick their entire team from the FA list whereas we, as members, have to swap or pay points. Again... not free. |
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lol That option is just as available to a new team as it is to anyone else, even moreso due to the fact that they can pick their entire team from the FA list whereas we, as members, have to swap or pay points. Again... not free. 
Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!