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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 2, 2015 2:05:36 GMT -5
yes but i have sam stout and melvin guillard who aren't even ranked how the hell are they going to beat guys that are 85 when thier cap is 81? Right now they are both at around 74-76 and they ARE beating guys rated 79-81. THAT is my point. If you upgrade right, none of this matters. It just gives the best of the best the inside lane. It doesn't make them the fastest runner in the race if they train properly. Furthermore, 1) you don't give a shit about either of those fighers, and 2) They "should" not be beating guys who are among the 25 best fighters to have ever fought in MMA history. Just as Aki Berg should not get more points in a season than Wayne Gretzky, even if it is fantasy. even if is fantasy, ur forgetting 1 thing people like royce gracie is only considered one of the greatest sure but fought at the era time when the sport was unpopular and shit doesnt make him the best ever cause if you put him in with GSP or Hendricks he probably have his ass handed to him... i'm all for fairness and we should leave it as is for now even if we have guys like douglas lima beating gsps.. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 2, 2015 2:11:03 GMT -5
I am not forgetting or thinking or considering anything when it comes to those rankings. I am using an unbiased, 3rd party site that has already determined a list of rankings so that there is no bias. We could debate the list forever, and everyone would have a different idea. Point is, the list is the best objective source we have. Otherwise clowns like you will draft Kyle Vivian, upgrade him to max, and have him beating guys like GSP just to make a mockery out of the site. (You have specifically told me of these exact intentions many, many times now - yet another reason I am considering rules specifically to stop you from acting like a twerp)
Also, if you are worried so much about the caps, there are currently 46 fighters available that are on the top 100 list. I think there are about 4 that are top 50 fighters as well.
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 2, 2015 2:51:28 GMT -5
I am not forgetting or thinking or considering anything when it comes to those rankings. I am using an unbiased, 3rd party site that has already determined a list of rankings so that there is no bias. We could debate the list forever, and everyone would have a different idea. Point is, the list is the best objective source we have. Otherwise clowns like you will draft Kyle Vivian, upgrade him to max, and have him beating guys like GSP just to make a mockery out of the site. (You have specifically told me of these exact intentions many, many times now - yet another reason I am considering rules specifically to stop you from acting like a twerp) Also, if you are worried so much about the caps, there are currently 46 fighters available that are on the top 100 list. I think there are about 4 that are top 50 fighters as well. i wouldnt do that the mockerys already been here murphy and douglas lima if anything id draft judo gene lebelle since he 191 on that list that stout n guillard aren't even on.. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 2, 2015 3:30:52 GMT -5
1) So you take issue with the issue I am trying to fix, but you don't want me to prevent it from happening again?
2) anyone after 100 on the list has no impact what so over on their cap. Based on this suggestion, anyone after 100 would have the same cap (theorhetically, giving the top 100 MMA fighters of all time a better chance to succeed here, since so many are on FA right now). This also has no effect on their builds either. Those would all be done the same.
The only thing affected would be the amount of upgrades you, as their team, could put into the best fighters who have ever fought in MMA. What you do with that extra space is up to you.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Mar 2, 2015 6:50:51 GMT -5
Perhaps it got lost in all of that mess, but...
If I have a fighter I've been upgrading and he's not an A or B fighter, but rather a C, and starts to do really well and begins to dismantle a lot of the Bs, will be eventually have an opportunity to become a B or A fighter? I get the comparison to GMX, but on there, I at least provide players the chance to break that threshold if they continue to be dominant.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 2, 2015 9:48:31 GMT -5
I still don't see the point in all this, even after our convo... just to the point that overall doesn't make much difference to who wins and who loses. To me, this just looks like much ado about nothing and just a pacifier with some smoke and mirrors to appease those, like myself, that have some "fringe" fighters or fighters that lose when they shouldn't make it appear like something's being done to counter act that, when the reality is that nothing can be done about it at all since, as I mentioned, overall doesn't seem to make much difference in how good or how poor our fighters perform.
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Post by xx - The Broad Street Bullies on Mar 2, 2015 10:52:07 GMT -5
Didn't realize I had a quarter of the top 25 fighters...
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Post by Ferocity on Mar 2, 2015 14:56:43 GMT -5
for me this would be helpful as I am not enough of a fan to automatically know who's good and who's not. My team (either than the women) is literally made up of TUF fighters, cause I watched some of that and know who they are.
It would give you an idea of what level of fighter you were getting- and what your expectations should be. It would also make the trade part of this site much more possible for me.
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 2, 2015 15:16:13 GMT -5
If I have a fighter I've been upgrading and he's not an A or B fighter, but rather a C, and starts to do really well and begins to dismantle a lot of the Bs, will be eventually have an opportunity to become a B or A fighter? K, a C is only 1 overall below our current cap. How that translates is you will have 3-4 less upgrades you can use on that fighter. There is pretty much no other way the A, B, C comes into play after that. Right now, we have Bs sitting on the Free agent list. We actually have 46 fighters from the top 100 available right now. All this affects is their cap, right? It does not affect how much people upgrade. So if I have an A, who is never upgraded, he is still sitting at about a 77 overall, he could very well get destroyed by absolutely any upgraded C or lower fighter. Since only about 10% of the league is over 80 right now to begin with, there is no reason what so ever that you cannot take a C or lower and make them the best fighter on the site. As Kruze says, ratings don't matter THAT much. So then we come to xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club's "Then why do it?". Well, it gives the top 25 fighters OF ALL TIME (The Wayne Gretzky's, Mario Lemieux's, etc) the POTENTIAL to reach their real life level. If you don't want to take advantage of that, you don't have to. But right now, guys like Dan Severn and Josh Barnett are on FA and there is absolutely no incentive to pick up these legends what so ever. Giving them additional room for upgrades increases their POTENTIAL value. SO, if I am thinking about taking on a new fighter, I can choose Colton Smith (who's only real life accomplishment is winning TUF) or I can take Hall of Famer Dan Severn. I have to choose between someone with a lower cap with a 0-0 record, or someone with a higher cap and a 13-27 record. As it relates to GMX, Wayne Gretzky was a 99 since he came into the league, and was out-performed by about half the league. He did not go down, and no one went above 99. But Wayne Gretzky is a 99. Similarly, when people draft, they know Doug Gilmour will have an advantage over drafting Aki Berg. Furthermore, here, people cannot control ice time. On GMX, you can boost someone's potential by giving them more ice time. What I am doing here with increasing the cap for the top 25 fighters to have ever fought is I am giving teams the chance to give them "more ice time". As xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said, overalls (especially POTENTIAL overalls) don't make THAT much of a difference. But it gives the best of the best SOMETHING to separate them from the Colton SMith's and Art Jimmerson's out there. Right now, there is nothing between Georges St. Pierre and Art Jimmerson. I feel that is a fatal flaw in the site, and I do not want the site to turn into a farce. |
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Post by xx - The Broad Street Bullies on Mar 2, 2015 16:02:26 GMT -5
Here's my question. If, due to other fighters advancing in the real world rankings, a fighter drops out of the top 25/50/100, would their cap also drop? And if so, would that fighter be required to take points out?
Also, if it means so much to people, I'd be willing to move some of my A fighters around. I didn't realize how many I actually had.
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 2, 2015 16:17:02 GMT -5
Here's my question. If, due to other fighters advancing in the real world rankings, a fighter drops out of the top 25/50/100, would their cap also drop? And if so, would that fighter be required to take points out? No, no fighter would ever be forced to lose upgrades already put into them. I was also hoping to have a small discussion here, if we went forward with this, about the fluidity of the list. Like, it would make my life a lot easier if we could use the list as it sits now. A, B, and C everyone (I have put all the rankings into my master document already to get the info I posted) and then leave them. EXCEPT for cases where new or current fighters move INTO the rankings. So basically we have our top 100 from right now. Then say in a year, John Johnson walks in, beats everyone in the UFC, and becomes #24 on that list. John Johnson is eligible for an A level upgrade, but the people he bumped OFF of the list are unaffected (so even if no one has drafted guy 100 from the current list, and if he moves to 101 on the list at that time, because he was still 100 when we finalized the list, he is still a C fighter. This way I don't have to change my master document and rankings every fucking day. |
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Post by Ferocity on Mar 2, 2015 18:21:14 GMT -5
Either than people not seeing this as necessary, I'm not seeing any real objections- am I wrong?
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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Mar 2, 2015 19:03:27 GMT -5
damn that was lot to read guys need to work on keeping it shorter or somethin. now my turn to right up a huge reply and take a hour.
if i understand this right thing it makes some sense cause then if it comes in still only guys gettin upgrades really benefit even if they are 85s still need upgrades to get to 85. i think this would be better if we had everyones overall on all our teams. i remember cannon tryina cheat in season 1 with the program thoug. guy ruins it for us all.
im all bout the history of the sport but i don love the list. its ok until the 80s then they start in with shooto guys with 8 fights. if we can take out those guys no one heard of like fukin 83 84 86 97 and 100 and put in guys after them that shod be befrore them like brian bowles mike brown mat lindllund jeremy horn i guess dc and davis but guys like formiga and lytle should be included over fukin 83 84 86 and 97. even pat curran hes ok but he aint no lytle and it hink that common knowledge. we can make those changes since no one watched shooto then id be ok with it i think. gotta respext the past man.
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 2, 2015 20:38:10 GMT -5
damn that was lot to read guys need to work on keeping it shorter or somethin. now my turn to right up a huge reply and take a hour. if i understand this right thing it makes some sense cause then if it comes in still only guys gettin upgrades really benefit even if they are 85s still need upgrades to get to 85. i think this would be better if we had everyones overall on all our teams. i remember cannon tryina cheat in season 1 with the program thoug. guy ruins it for us all. im all bout the history of the sport but i don love the list. its ok until the 80s then they start in with shooto guys with 8 fights. if we can take out those guys no one heard of like fukin 83 84 86 97 and 100 and put in guys after them that shod be befrore them like brian bowles mike brown mat lindllund jeremy horn i guess dc and davis but guys like formiga and lytle should be included over fukin 83 84 86 and 97. even pat curran hes ok but he aint no lytle and it hink that common knowledge. we can make those changes since no one watched shooto then id be ok with it i think. gotta respext the past man. ] shitt if we go with justin suggestion its just make anderson silva best guy on the site when in fact hes old news compared to weidman who sucks on the site and isnt a high enough rank as anderson... so i say NONONO!the NO movement shall begin NONONO |
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Post by xx - The Broad Street Bullies on Mar 2, 2015 20:45:03 GMT -5
So you're saying because a fighter beats someone, they're better than that someone? So because Matt Serra beat GSP, Serra is a better fighter than GSP?
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