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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 3, 2015 23:10:20 GMT -5
Honestly, that full disclosure probably wasn't necessary. Everyone is allowed their own opinion, be it for whatever reasons (or lack there of). All the previous name-calling and cursing and accusations were necessary though? Is anything even necessary at this point? What else is there to debate? What claim has been made that carries any logic beyond the "fuk you justin fuk you" they posted prior? Figure people might as well know why there is so much seemingly random name-calling. |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 3, 2015 23:22:13 GMT -5
ok The Sandmen when i said it wasnt realistic that you made hansen whom you laughed about because he was champ and nobody of the site knew whom he was and now hes a champ in a fantasy sim site but was ok because it was you but now that anderson silva loses to douglas lima its not ok, this is just fantasy none of itss real, your list is fantasy voted by fanboys if it was voted by fighter i might consider it but its not its just a popularity contest.. |
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Post by xx - The Broad Street Bullies on Mar 3, 2015 23:23:10 GMT -5
I never said they were necessary.
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 3, 2015 23:26:30 GMT -5
ok The Sandmen when i said it wasnt realistic that you made hansen whom you laughed about because he was champ and nobody of the site knew whom he was and now hes a champ in a fantasy sim site but was ok because it was you but now that anderson silva loses to douglas lima its not ok, this is just fantasy none of itss real, your list is fantasy voted by fanboys if it was voted by fighter i might consider it but its not its just a popularity contest.. K, 1) not even true - I have never bragged about anything my fighters have ever done. Jested and trolled about someone kicking someones ass on-site, and I was happy and excited Shinya won, but that's the point of the site, right? Happiness and excitement? But this could not be farther from the actual point - when you have no logic, you divert focus to shit that doesn't even matter. Which brings me to... 2) if you have a problem with Hansen because no one knows him, and you don't like that, this suggestion fixes that issue now, and in the future. Anderson Silva has not lost to Douglas Lima. Douglas Lima was a project fighter of a guy who is no longer here. How many times have I heard you and PHX both complain about Lauren Murphy and how she should not be that good? Again, this suggestion solves that problem. If you can find me a list of the top 100 pound for pound fighters of all time, as voted on by MMA fighters, I will gladly use that instead. The list I found had the broadest base of opinions. If it was a popularity contest, Rousey would be higher, Conor McGregor would be higher, and Tito Ortiz would not even be on the damned list. It's a pretty objective list, and since it's compiled of the opinions of 1000-2000 MMA fans, any bias is washed out pretty quickly. Particularly in the top 75. |
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Post by The West Coast Knockouts on Mar 3, 2015 23:31:58 GMT -5
You don't know for sure that the 1000 to 2000 fans were all hardcore fans. I'd be behind this 100% if you traded Anderson Silva first .
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 3, 2015 23:34:34 GMT -5
I have given you several reasons and no name calling was started on my part til you actually did start acting like an indignant prick about it cuz there was opposition to this.
I don't like it. I don't want it. It has no short term or long term benefits to my team. It's simply a mechanism for you to manipulate and change something for the sake of it and not for any other reason that actually benefits you and maybe 1 or 2 other teams.
Cannon also makes a valid point about how you've done the same thing with fighters then when others start doing that, the rules are conveniently change so that no one else can. It's not about the fact that you'd roll those fighters back, it's the fact that you allow yourself to exploit rules, but when anyone else does, it's suddenly not allowed.
The list you provided is shit. I get it's 'guide' but some of those fighters listed there have no business on that list in corellation to fighters that are not on it at all.
The fact that the women aren't included in this is an issue for me as well. I get there's no list for that really, but if it's good for the rest of the league then it should be good enough for th'e women too somehow. If it can't be all divisions, the it should be none at all.
It's also not your job, even as the admin, to tell us who we should or shouldn't have on our teams or to go out of your way to manipulate that to happening. Who you like and think are good and/or in what order, are different than probably nearly everyone else on the site. This new system holds team's like mine back from being able to build guys like Jason MacDonald or other fighters you don't think are good from being all they can be if they'd been able to excel past a certain point. It's the whole point of a fantasy league is to see your favorite fighters do well and hopefully turn them into a champion and maybe even beyond where they got IRL.
I realize we have guys like a Fedor that should hace a better record, but this isn't the solution for that... this doesn't make anyone better in the league... all it does is allow you to hold back fighters you don't like or don't want at the top of the league, whether it be in overall or performance.
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 3, 2015 23:37:02 GMT -5
You don't know for sure that the 1000 to 2000 fans were all hardcore fans. I'd be behind this 100% if you traded Anderson Silva first . Not trading Anderson, but at season's end, whether we do this or not, I plan on trading Tate, Le, Hansen, and maybe Cro Cop. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 3, 2015 23:39:26 GMT -5
And in the interest of full disclosure, this is a completely separate issue from what I'm dealing with, with Sandman privately... I didn't bring it up in here, he did... lol So who's the one with the issue exactly?!  |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 3, 2015 23:40:06 GMT -5
Cannon also makes a valid point about how you've done the same thing with fighters then when others start doing that, the rules are conveniently change so that no one else can. It's not about the fact that you'd roll those fighters back, it's the fact that you allow yourself to exploit rules, but when anyone else does, it's suddenly not allowed. 1) Thank you for sticking to logic and rhetoric, instead of name-calling. We are still heavy on the finger-pointing, but that's to be expected from you and my Trolly friend Cannon. 2) The timing of the suggestion was because you, kruzey my good man, spent the entire season telling everyone who should and should not be winning. This provided an objective third-party resource to give the people who objectively SHOULD be winning additional avenues to do that. This entire suggestion was started because of all that "should" talk - 90% of which came from you, and of that, about 40% of it was about how upset you were at Murphy and how good she was, and is, compared to her real life counterpart. Fantasy league or not (you used words like "cunt" repeatedly). --- The rest of your post, in a nutshell: - women are not included because, as i said, no list exists. The scope of WMMA is too narrow. If one can be found, I will be happy to include that. Very happy, actually. - it's my job, as the guy who runs an MMA site, to keep the site about MMA. Just as xx - Team GAP was unhappy with ML 3.0 allowing The Undertaker and Andre the Giant because it took away his sense of realism combined with fantasy fun, so too does the idea that Art Jimmerson can have the same overall as Georges St. Pierre to many here, including myself. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 3, 2015 23:49:13 GMT -5
I Cannon also makes a valid point about how you've done the same thing with fighters then when others start doing that, the rules are conveniently change so that no one else can. It's not about the fact that you'd roll those fighters back, it's the fact that you allow yourself to exploit rules, but when anyone else does, it's suddenly not allowed. 1) Thank you for sticking to logic and rhetoric, instead of name-calling. We are still heavy on the finger-pointing, but that's to be expected from you and my Trolly friend Cannon. 2) The timing of the suggestion was because you, kruzey my good man, spent the entire season telling everyone who should and should not be winning. This provided an objective third-party resource to give the people who objectively SHOULD be winning additional avenues to do that. This entire suggestion was started because of all that "should" talk - 90% of which came from you, and of that, about 40% of it was about how upset you were at Murphy and how good she was, and is, compared to her real life counterpart. Fantasy league or not (you used words like "cunt" repeatedly). I'm not taking the blame for your shit bub... you did this all on your own... talk about finger pointing. I mean, don't you think that if that was really what this was all about and about me, that I'd be all for it? This does nothing for anyone, really... |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 3, 2015 23:52:48 GMT -5
1 its a fantasy site
2 the list has bas rutten in top 100 who lost to the shamrocks and never beat anyone real except no name japs and tito should have his spot in the top 100
3 why should i have to trade my fighter for a fighter valued at a A level just so i can compete with sumone who has 6A level stars
4 yes u did laugh about joachim hansen and told me if i didnt want him to be champ to upgrade my guys and have 1 of my guys beat him
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 3, 2015 23:53:35 GMT -5
This does nothing for anyone, really... Good. If it does nothing for anyone, then you will not care that it be implemented, since it "does nothing". If it does nothing, other then makes me a lot happier to spend 3 hours a day working on this site for you guys, then all the more reason to go forward with it. Thanks bub. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 3, 2015 23:58:15 GMT -5
Yes, one with limits. We have never been allowed to draft Bruce Lee. Fighters have all come in with different overalls. This is no different. 2 the list has bas rutten in top 100 who lost to the shamrocks and never beat anyone real except no name japs and tito should have his spot in the top 100 So you have never heard of Bas Rutten. 2000 other people have. That is why a third-party list is a good idea. It's completely removed and objective. 3 why should i have to trade my fighter for a fighter valued at a A level just so i can compete with sumone who has 6A level stars Do whatever you want with your fighters. You have not even upgraded your men to 81, so you sure as shit don't have to worry about A fighters, B fighters or C fighters yet. 4 yes u did laugh about joachim hansen and told me if i didnt want him to be champ to upgrade my guys and have 1 of my guys beat him If you don't want someone to be champ, upgrade them to beat the champ. Common sense. Not sure what your point here is. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 4, 2015 0:07:37 GMT -5
This does nothing for anyone, really... Good. If it does nothing for anyone, then you will not care that it be implemented, since it "does nothing". If it does nothing, other then makes me a lot happier to spend 3 hours a day working on this site for you guys, then all the more reason to go forward with it. Thanks bub. No, because it does nothing for anyone is the very reason I care about it. It doesn't solve the issue you're claiming is the reason for wanting to do this. All it does is do the things that I've already outlined and don't need to. Sorry your idea isn't the right one... the spirit is there, but in no way it is going to change how fighters fight, make Fedor win more, raise Gustafsson's value or anything you're claiming. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 4, 2015 0:09:37 GMT -5
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x8 
Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!