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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 4, 2015 0:15:05 GMT -5
The Sandmen i know who bas rutten is a nobody who lost to both shamrocks then beat a bunch of tiny no named japaneseguys in open weight if im not mistaken tito ortiz beat shamrock what 3 times??? but bas rutten is more popular ur list is a popularity poll n if were using this list then ill draft fucking judo gene lebell n upgrade him to a fucking 81 n do what u did with hansen aoki etc..
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 4, 2015 0:18:43 GMT -5
The Sandmen i know who bas rutten is a nobody who lost to both shamrocks then beat a bunch of tiny no named japs in open weight if im not mistaken tito ortiz beat shamrock what 3 times??? but bas rutten is more popular ur list is a popularity pool n if were using this list then ill draft fucking judo gene lebell n upgrade him to a fucking 81 n do what u did with hansen aoki etc.. I stopped reading your comment when it got racist. Drop that shit. |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 4, 2015 2:46:19 GMT -5
doesnt matter anyways your nazi dictatoring this anyways untill ppl lose interest because the fighters they choose can never be a "A lister" then end up quitting due to the dictatorship...
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 4, 2015 2:58:40 GMT -5
doesnt matter anyways your nazi dictatoring this anyways untill ppl lose interest because the fighters they choose can never be a "A lister" then end up quitting due to the dictatorship...  |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 4, 2015 3:14:20 GMT -5
its its aa fucking fantasy leagues u want realism go sim on ufc game guy..
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 4, 2015 3:21:45 GMT -5
So your solution to a suggestion you don't like is not a change, not NOT doing it, but abandoning ManMMA, shutting down the site, and simming fights on a UFC video game? All this after your racist tirade. Man, your credibility in this argument is dropping fast. You should just back away and let xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club handle the discussion. At least he isn't breaking Proboards rules and embarrassing himself in the process. |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 4, 2015 3:50:27 GMT -5
well u wantetd realistic simming go make a match ufc put control in middle let to AI duke it out oh how real and unbiased stats by professionals..
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 4, 2015 4:00:23 GMT -5
...and what does that have to do with ManMMA and this suggestion exactly?
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Mar 4, 2015 4:39:12 GMT -5
nothing.... ???
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 4, 2015 4:43:45 GMT -5
At xx - Camp Cannon's Skype suggestion, I simmed several random fights between pre-existing fighters NOT in ManMMA that had a 4 or more overall spread. Shockingly, even to myself, more often than not the LOWER fighter won the fight. We found that in striker vs. grappler fights (we did original build Lytle vs. Karo Parisian), whoever was doing thier thing did better (Karo was winning on the ground, but Lytle got up and destroyed Karo standing and then submitted him - Karo was 4 overalls higher). Paul Daley beat Josh Koscheck (both had thier original builds - koscheck was 4 overall higher than Daley and had a very notable health advantage) I simmed Paul Daley vs. Paul Kelly (original builds, not ManMMA builds) about 3 or 4 times, and Daley won all of those (he was 3.8 overall higher than Kelly). Gilbert Yvel beat Kendall Grove (4 times). Grove is 4 overalls higher than Yvel. And we had a great fight between Paulo Thiago (65.53) and Ansar Chalangov (61.33), which ended in a decision win for Chalangov. Conclusion based on this real-world experiment: How someone is upgraded is far more paramount than their overall. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 4, 2015 8:11:58 GMT -5
If that's the case, then what's the use of:
1) even having a cap at all?
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2) implementing a change to said useless cap with another useless cap?
It's already been proven over and over that it's not the overall that determines how good a fighter is, so why bother having a cap if it doesn't even really serve a purpose?
I mean, seriously... who exactly are you trying to regulate in a league where effectively 70-80% of it "upgrades wrong" (your words) or neglects a majority of their rosters to power upgrade one sect of their roster? Who are you afraid of if that's the case? Cuz it's the other 20-30% of the league that controls the belts, 90% of the time. lol
The truth is that you threw any realism out the window right from day 1 by not having weight classes, then once again by you, yourself, turning guys like Hansen, Askren and Aoki into "elite" fighters, joking about it then shunning and scoffing at others for doing the same with their own "non-elite" fighters.
But also from day 1, you really suspended the idea of having this be a "Best of the Best" league by allowing ANY fighter with 1 pro fight to enter the league, regardless of standing, stature or even a championship in MMA. Now suddenly this is problem because other GMs are following your own lead and electing to upgrade some of their lower tier fighters that you don't like?! Well, just like you don't give a crap whether we like your fighters or not, so too do we not care what you think about ours. Regardless of what your "Best of the Best" vision of it was supposed to be at the beginning, by what you've done yourself, has made this a full-on fantasy league. Trying to reverse it now after 13 seasons is really what the moot point is because the damage is already done. Yah, I was bitching about Murphy... I don't like her IRL and I like her even less here in ManMMA, but that's just the way it is, unfortunately. Tough shit. Life sucks, get a fucking helmet cuz I know damn there's quite a few folks out there that don't like D'Alelio where she is either, even though she's never won the belt.
Now, that being said, if I remember correctly, the reason the original institution of the cap came about in the first place was to prevent Cannon from maxing out all of Rousey's attributes and making her a 100 or a 99 overall. But, by your own words, overall is irrelevant, and we need only look at the currently capped to see that nearly majority of capped fighters are not "elite" fighters, despite being capped; Fedor, Lesnar, Rousey, D'Alelio, Tate, GSP... Hell, even Coenen since she hasn't won a single belt since being capped, but has beat nearly everyone else. This really does go for the women's division too; this isn't just segregated to the men's divisions; it's a league-wide issue.
So I can see the benefit in the cap due to the Cannon/Rousey or anyone for that matter, and I can see salvaging some sense of realisim by having a cap, but if you really want to help those capped fighters that are currently struggling, raising each cap by about 2 should suffice or abolishing it completely... but not this grading system whereby it handcuffs what the spirit of the league has become, which is, in fact, a fantasy league. A place where you can take your favorite fighter, whether he was "the greatest" or not, and make him a top fighter on your fantasy team. This graded system doesn't allow for that, not unless you're in that top 20-30% that allegedly "upgrade right", whatever the hell that even means anyways.
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 4, 2015 15:24:31 GMT -5
You're contradicting yourself. You can either go with "Cap doesn't matter so why implement it", or you can go with "You are handcuffing me from making my shit fighters the best in the world".
Realism was never thrown out the window by allowing scrubs into the league. The scrubs more often then not get decimated. They come in at a lower overall, and usually fight accordingly. Not always. Again, the cap is the exact same vein as fighters coming into the league at a different overall.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 4, 2015 16:19:24 GMT -5
You're contradicting yourself. You can either go with "Cap doesn't matter so why implement it", or you can go with "You are handcuffing me from making my shit fighters the best in the world". Realism was never thrown out the window by allowing scrubs into the league. The scrubs more often then not get decimated. They come in at a lower overall, and usually fight accordingly. Not always. Again, the cap is the exact same vein as fighters coming into the league at a different overall. Ummm... No... I actually offered 3 contradicting points... following "The Resolution Rule" AND offered a solution, following "The Kruzer Amendment". Where do we have a problem here? ( Resolution Rule) And Yes, realism did go out the window, as I outlined above. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Mar 4, 2015 16:47:10 GMT -5
I contradicted my contradiction. THAT'S BODACIOUS!
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 4, 2015 16:59:04 GMT -5
I contradicted my contradiction. THAT'S BODACIOUS! I know you're trying to be funny... and that's kool... but, this time, it actually is pretty "bodacious", if you read it... |
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