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Post by xx - The Broad Street Bullies on Mar 4, 2015 21:39:29 GMT -5
There are very few people that anyone wouldn't trade for Silva.
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 4, 2015 22:48:00 GMT -5
Anderson is the prize of Sandmen. If you could only have one fighter, his would be Silva. That's like asking Cannon to trade Rousey. id trade rousey 4 anderson.. I hate Rousey and would not give you a single point for her. But once again, this is all besides the point. This whole "we should punish Sandmen" attitude you seem to have is silly. I in no way have the most to gain from this suggestion. And you, in no way, are suggesting alternatives or improvements to this suggestion. If we can drop the pettiness and discuss what is in the greater interest of the league as a whole, I am still completely unconvinced that this suggestion is anything but bad. We established that HOW you upgrade matters most. We established that STYLE matters a great deal as well. We established 85s are not unbeatable We established that no one is 100% happy with the list (and no one has a better one) We established that pretty much everyone is unhappy with Lauren Murphy and Douglas Lima (and Hansen and Aoki and Askren), and that that should change. We established that The Sandmen is not content going through another season of half the league whining about "___ should be better than ___ this is bullshit". We established (many real-time years ago) that a cap of 100 is league-breaking (all fights end in boring decisions) So...again, I am not hearing any better suggestions and every time I ask, I get "You have Anderson Silva, you upgraded Hansen, you you you you you you". This is not about just me, it's about fixing a major problem with ManMMA. I would be open to more input, but we REALLY need to get a move on this before the draft starts. Get the proposed changes or modifications to this suggestion coming and NOW. Before we are left with no choice but to just power through with it. |
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Post by xx - The Broad Street Bullies on Mar 4, 2015 23:12:01 GMT -5
I see no issue with the proposed system. It's been shown that a higher overall doesn't always mean you'll win, and for the people who do see issues, mostly Cannon, give a suggestion of what to do. Don't just say I don't like it.
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 5, 2015 1:35:58 GMT -5
well say i upgrade melvin guillard to a 81 and he can beat most guys but keeps losing to a certain 85 lets say BJ PENN as example who may or may not be champ that doesnt matter what happens to guillard am i responsible for his losing or should he be eligible to be allowed to upgraded to 85 to compete with said opponent(BJ PENN) that always beats him?? if he is eligible for upgrading to 85 i dont see why we need the new system at all, or if i havta waste my own points resupplying melvin than i suggest the point i take out n resuppling cost nothing at all rather than another 1 point per upgrade..
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 5, 2015 1:46:54 GMT -5
No, re-specing won't be free. It takes me time to do, it costs you points to do it. Fair is fair. I have no interest in messing around with people's builds every 2 days. Not only that, it would mean you could completely change your fighter at no cost on a fight-by-fight basis. Too time-consuming, and too unrealistic. People don't go from Boxing champions to BJJ 9th degree black belt ground specialists in 1 fight.
As to your initial point, we've established that 81 vs. 85 is a moot point. Right now, we have all kinds of musical championship stuff going on. Where Person A can beat Person B, Person B can beat Person C, but person A cannot beat Person C. A rock, paper, scissors type thing. It plays into the striker vs. grappler thing as well.
If this system comes into play and somehow seems to break the whole game after a few seasons we can consider levelling the cap back up to 85. But again...overall is not the ultimate deciding factor in fights (broken record much?) so it's not really relevant to begin with.
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 5, 2015 2:31:09 GMT -5
we already have this problem now i.e rousey ground cant beat carano holm murphy can beat rest of league no problemo and rousey capped ..
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 5, 2015 2:33:38 GMT -5
Fine-tune Rousey like PHX did with D'Alelio. It works. D'Alelio has been notably better since then.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Mar 5, 2015 2:48:42 GMT -5
I like fine tuning.
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Post by xx - The Broad Street Bullies on Mar 5, 2015 8:00:34 GMT -5
Tune Rousey up. Give her a strong focus.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Mar 5, 2015 8:25:38 GMT -5
TURN DOWN FOR WHAT?!
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 5, 2015 10:45:19 GMT -5
I see no issue with the proposed system. It's been shown that a higher overall doesn't always mean you'll win, and for the people who do see issues, mostly Cannon, give a suggestion of what to do. Don't just say I don't like it. The thing here is that I'm actually the one that's going to be most affected by this Bullies, but, in an attempt, to show that I'm actually trying to be objective about this, I've offered up a few points (See Page 6) that are somewhat contradicting of eachother to make my point that this is the wrong course of action, and I even offered a suggestion. But any time I open my mouth and say anything against what Sandman says, it's construed as me bitching, complaining or otherwise just going against Sandman for the damn hell of it, and that's not the case here at all. Honestly, my biggest problem with this crappy system, outside of the fact that I think we should be able to make anyone we want into and "A fighter", is that shitty list we're supposed to be using as a guide, just for starters. I have fighters on my team that are former champions, which, to my mind, says that would be a prerequisite for being considered "Best of the Best" and an "A fighter", would it not? And I'm not talking bush league champions here either... UFC, WEC, Strikeforce... not Bellator or anything... but none of those guys are considered to be an "A fighter" and I don't think that's right... not in the slightest. The other thing, for me, is that I'm one of those GMs in this league that somehow "upgrade wrong", even though we all have the same attributes to to choose from to upgrade our fighters and I'm just as competent at MMA as anyone else on this site is, yet my upgrades don't really seem to be as effective as Sandman's or Rocketman's or whomever they deem as the "upgrade right" crew and it's really damn frustrating when the upgrades you do are ineffective yet the same upgrades are done by someone else and their fighter excels but yours don't. And finally, again for me, I'm absolutely at my wits end when it comes to every single off season and something comes up to continue limiting and restricting my team; whether it's someone complaining about my PPP rate or some rule change, like this one here, that makes it even harder for my team to excel and do anything, and yet, for nearly every season that I've been here, my team is, more often than not, at the bottom of the standings or dead last. I mean, I understand that it's partly to do with my roster size, and I expect that if I had a 12-15 fighters that I would finish a little higher, that part doesn't escape me... but it is also the fact that, at every turn, there's always some sort of restriction placed on me or my team to suppress their growth as I watch nearly everyone else around me keep getting better and better, and my team just stays the same. So I'm sorry if I sound like a broken record, and that if it seems like I'm complaining allot... but the reality is that, from my perspective, I really do have quite a bit to complain about a majority of the time. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Mar 5, 2015 11:00:07 GMT -5
I'm glad to know that anytime anything happens here, one specific person is always the only one affected. Always. Period. Doesn't even matter what it is. Affected. Bam.
Let's put this to rest. Majority decision is to go through with it, and we'll adapt and continue to enjoy the site the same as we always have.
Bippity boppity boo.
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Mar 5, 2015 11:07:28 GMT -5
Not gunna waste my time reading through all that shit. I'm cool with it.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 5, 2015 11:23:29 GMT -5
I'm glad to know that anytime anything happens here, one specific person is always the only one affected. Always. Period. Doesn't even matter what it is. Affected. Bam. Let's put this to rest. Majority decision is to go through with it, and we'll adapt and continue to enjoy the site the same as we always have. Bippity boppity boo. Excuse me?!  I didn't say I was the ONLY one affected by this... I said I was the one affected MOST by this.... and that is true. I don't have a single fighter on my team that is deemed to be an "A fighter", and, for whatever reason, I am one of the GMs in the league that it seems to have difficulty with upgrades, whereby my upgrades seem to have little to no affect comparatively to my counterparts around the league whether it's the way I upgrade, the attributes I choose for fighters or it has something to do with the simulator, that is true as well. And this isn't exactly a majority decision either... you've myself, Cannon & GAP on the "No" side and you, Sandman & Bullies on the "Yes" side, because as Cannon or you pointed out earlier in the thread, Byron will simply go along with anything you or Sandman say or anything that has anything to do with screwing me over. lol I'd say put it to an actual poll now that we've had the discussion about it and everyone's stances on it are clear. |
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Mar 5, 2015 11:27:03 GMT -5
More words, I see. I'll opt not to read those as well.
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= x2 (Rua, Liddel(current))
I didn't say I was the ONLY one affected by this... I said I was the one affected MOST by this.... and that is true. I don't have a single fighter on my team that is deemed to be an "A fighter", and, for whatever reason, I am one of the GMs in the league that it seems to have difficulty with upgrades, whereby my upgrades seem to have little to no affect comparatively to my counterparts around the league whether it's the way I upgrade, the attributes I choose for fighters or it has something to do with the simulator, that is true as well. 
Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!
Jan 21, 2021 13:09:55 GMT -5
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Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!
Jan 21, 2021 13:09:55 GMT -5
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