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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 28, 2015 18:39:29 GMT -5
As for your points there Sandman: 1) I've received one charity trade in 14 seasons; Ortiz this off-season. 2) Preference in game-changers I have no control over nor have you ever really made that known to the general site. 3) 2 points for the 1st Overall pick is nothing when it already costs 2 points to pick up any fighter off the FA list 4) Again, nothing you've ever made known to the site until now... but even still, I'm likely not the only one you've given leniency with. So that point is moot. 1) You were offered Hansen, Cung Le, Miesha Tate and Mirko Cro Cop this off-season. You told me you had no interest in any of them, hated Cung Le, and that I should keep Mirko. 2) Yes, I have, when I first explained the weighted system. Need affects the number of times your name is in the draw. This was never a secret. 3) If you are struggling, you don't need a new fighter. You need the points to help your team, and probably less fighters. 4) Exactly. Leniency to the teams that need it (anyone except Cannon) and non-leniency towards those that don't (Cannon). |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 28, 2015 18:54:08 GMT -5
That being said, I don't like that change either, because it's stupid. But it kind of shows my point. You cannot compare a team like xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club to The West Coast Knockouts. One carries a huge team of project fighters that bring him out of a GP position every year (while his best fighters fight for titles and get better), and the other carries the absolute fewest number of fightersyou can have while still theoretically participating in the GP. WHile holding onto, and sometimes upgrading, a very very good core. Oh look... more conjecture and rhetoric from the Sandman, steering away from the actual topic, which is: Raise the point values of the 1st & 2nd overall picks (1st = 4-6 points - 2nd = 2-4 points) to give them more value in trade should the bottom teams elect to trade them for a more significant piece to help their team OR to allow them the freedom to improve their team/fighters internally, more significantly, so that we don't always have the same teams in pretty much every position every single season and provide some parity to the league as a whole, instead of what we currently have, which I've outlined above. And as an addition to the original suggestion, I'd also like to suggest that if we happen to get a new team mid-season, as we have many times over the last 14, that perhaps the new be awarded the 1st overall pick automatically, unless we have a situation like we had with Team 3lite or Bullies recent return, whereby we'd just had a team or two disbanded and/or we're holding off some fighters to be auctioned or until the draft and the new team effectively gets "pick of the litter", so to speak. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 28, 2015 18:57:56 GMT -5
You keep saying that but are not addressing the problem of the 1st pick being worth double the reward for winning the GP. This is a game-breaking problem for me.
(That and the value being equal to what I pay Cannon for important site-work, as I said elsewhere).
As for your additional suggestion, we'll deal with that elsewhere separately, so we aren't discussing 5 things at once.
What other ideas do you have?
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 28, 2015 19:02:48 GMT -5
As for your points there Sandman: 1) I've received one charity trade in 14 seasons; Ortiz this off-season. 2) Preference in game-changers I have no control over nor have you ever really made that known to the general site. 3) 2 points for the 1st Overall pick is nothing when it already costs 2 points to pick up any fighter off the FA list 4) Again, nothing you've ever made known to the site until now... but even still, I'm likely not the only one you've given leniency with. So that point is moot. 1) You were offered Hansen, Cung Le, Miesha Tate and Mirko Cro Cop this off-season. You told me you had no interest in any of them, hated Cung Le, and that I should keep Mirko. 2) Yes, I have, when I first explained the weighted system. Need affects the number of times your name is in the draw. This was never a secret. 3) If you are struggling, you don't need a new fighter. You need the points to help your team, and probably less fighters. 4) Exactly. Leniency to the teams that need it (anyone except Cannon) and non-leniency towards those that don't (Cannon). im not sure why my name was used here? |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 28, 2015 19:03:41 GMT -5
As for your points there Sandman: 1) I've received one charity trade in 14 seasons; Ortiz this off-season. 2) Preference in game-changers I have no control over nor have you ever really made that known to the general site. 3) 2 points for the 1st Overall pick is nothing when it already costs 2 points to pick up any fighter off the FA list 4) Again, nothing you've ever made known to the site until now... but even still, I'm likely not the only one you've given leniency with. So that point is moot. 1) You were offered Hansen, Cung Le, Miesha Tate and Mirko Cro Cop this off-season. You told me you had no interest in any of them, hated Cung Le, and that I should keep Mirko. 2) Yes, I have, when I first explained the weighted system. Need affects the number of times your name is in the draw. This was never a secret. 3) If you are struggling, you don't need a new fighter. You need the points to help your team, and probably less fighters. 4) Exactly. Leniency to the teams that need it (anyone except Cannon) and non-leniency towards those that don't (Cannon). 1) It doesn't matter what you've offered as "charity"... it's what you wanted in return. 2) Kool. First I've heard of that one... oh, and I was apparently "staff" at one time too. 3) Exactly... but two points is BS. 4) Nah... you're not bias at all. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 28, 2015 19:06:58 GMT -5
1) I said "for whatever you want to give me", you said you hated Cung Le and "would not take him for free". Your words.
2) Read better. It's posted.
3) Suggest something better, cause right now you are failing to do that.
4) Your complaint is noted. I will stop being lenient with everyone. FiD is about to light up next update and the league can thank you for that one.
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 28, 2015 19:29:50 GMT -5
you should just shut up now phx your not suggestion anything your just making matters worse and being a fucking babay whyning constantly, my suggestion lock this thread now as phx already made matter worse with the ranked now fid, if phx c an stop whyning and actual suggest stuff he can make a new thread..
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 29, 2015 10:44:37 GMT -5
As for your points there Sandman: 1) I've received one charity trade in 14 seasons; Ortiz this off-season. 2) Preference in game-changers I have no control over nor have you ever really made that known to the general site. 3) 2 points for the 1st Overall pick is nothing when it already costs 2 points to pick up any fighter off the FA list 4) Again, nothing you've ever made known to the site until now... but even still, I'm likely not the only one you've given leniency with. So that point is moot. 1) You were offered Hansen, Cung Le, Miesha Tate and Mirko Cro Cop this off-season. You told me you had no interest in any of them, hated Cung Le, and that I should keep Mirko. 2) Yes, I have, when I first explained the weighted system. Need affects the number of times your name is in the draw. This was never a secret. 3) If you are struggling, you don't need a new fighter. You need the points to help your team, and probably less fighters. 4) Exactly. Leniency to the teams that need it (anyone except Cannon) and non-leniency towards those that don't (Cannon) 1) Just because you offered doesn't make it charity nor is it for what wanted for them, so your point is moot. 2) Yah, that's like the draft lottery in the NHL, that's not giving preference. 3) Exactly... which is why I've made this suggestion in the first place. 4) I dunno anything about that... I usually have the most fighters on FiD. In any event, this is off topic once again... can you please sstick to what we're talking about instead of clouding it with you irrelevant banter? |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 29, 2015 11:34:58 GMT -5
Cool, pitch a suggestion other than 4-6 points for the 1st overall pick and lets discuss.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Mar 29, 2015 12:07:58 GMT -5
I... I also have on multiple occasions offered like everyone on my team for weaker players, and without specifically quoting the pms, was informed by Kruze something along the lines of "no thanks, i like my fighters, even if they suck."
So, it's kind of like seeing a homeless person, offering them an apartment and them saying they enjoy their alley. It's prime real estate.
I have no sympathy here.
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 29, 2015 12:16:27 GMT -5
See this is why it's so complicated an issue for me. There are teams that want to get better. I understand that. Great. They have been offered fighters from lots of teams. Some have taken them and got better, some choose to keep thier players they like and work that way. Cool. I totally get that. If you love your team, awesome. But you can't complain that you are last and someone else is first when first is offering you REALLY good fighters and you don't want them. You can either get better, or have a project team that takes some time to get better. Those are kinda pretty much the only options. I don't think it makes sense to increase point pay-outs when an end goal is not to have a better team (which is being offered).
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 29, 2015 14:56:51 GMT -5
1) You were offered Hansen, Cung Le, Miesha Tate and Mirko Cro Cop this off-season. You told me you had no interest in any of them, hated Cung Le, and that I should keep Mirko. 2) Yes, I have, when I first explained the weighted system. Need affects the number of times your name is in the draw. This was never a secret. 3) If you are struggling, you don't need a new fighter. You need the points to help your team, and probably less fighters. 4) Exactly. Leniency to the teams that need it (anyone except Cannon) and non-leniency towards those that don't (Cannon) 1) Just because you offered doesn't make it charity nor is it for what wanted for them, so your point is moot. 2) Yah, that's like the draft lottery in the NHL, that's not giving preference. 3) Exactly... which is why I've made this suggestion in the first place. 4) I dunno anything about that... I usually have the most fighters on FiD. In any event, this is off topic once again... can you please sstick to what we're talking about instead of clouding it with you irrelevant banter? 3) yet you took another fighter rather the 2 point your own fault your team sucks n\maybe gte rid of half it, discussion closed come again... |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 29, 2015 14:58:26 GMT -5
See this is why it's so complicated an issue for me. There are teams that want to get better. I understand that. Great. They have been offered fighters from lots of teams. Some have taken them and got better, some choose to keep thier players they like and work that way. Cool. I totally get that. If you love your team, awesome. But you can't complain that you are last and someone else is first when first is offering you REALLY good fighters and you don't want them. You can either get better, or have a project team that takes some time to get better. Those are kinda pretty much the only options. I don't think it makes sense to increase point pay-outs when an end goal is not to have a better team (which is being offered). he an idiot rather than take the point to improve he took a project fighter again just ignore this clown n lock the thread,, |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 29, 2015 15:11:41 GMT -5
See this is why it's so complicated an issue for me. There are teams that want to get better. I understand that. Great. They have been offered fighters from lots of teams. Some have taken them and got better, some choose to keep thier players they like and work that way. Cool. I totally get that. If you love your team, awesome. But you can't complain that you are last and someone else is first when first is offering you REALLY good fighters and you don't want them. You can either get better, or have a project team that takes some time to get better. Those are kinda pretty much the only options. I don't think it makes sense to increase point pay-outs when an end goal is not to have a better team (which is being offered). It's not being offered... 2 points is virtually nothing in terms of upgrades nor is it going to obtain you anything good in trade. And the fact is, most of the teams at the bottom of the standings every season are what you're calling "project teams". As usual, you refuse to look at the long term benefits for the whole league and choose to look only at the short term gains of one or two teams off the start and continue on with this notion of yours that you're the only one that come up with a brilliant idea for ManMMA. You claimed I wasn't providing any facts... so I provide them, and you shit all over them even though it supports everything that I've been saying... pull your head out of your ass for once already... fack. |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 29, 2015 16:21:59 GMT -5
See this is why it's so complicated an issue for me. There are teams that want to get better. I understand that. Great. They have been offered fighters from lots of teams. Some have taken them and got better, some choose to keep thier players they like and work that way. Cool. I totally get that. If you love your team, awesome. But you can't complain that you are last and someone else is first when first is offering you REALLY good fighters and you don't want them. You can either get better, or have a project team that takes some time to get better. Those are kinda pretty much the only options. I don't think it makes sense to increase point pay-outs when an end goal is not to have a better team (which is being offered). It's not being offered... 2 points is virtually nothing in terms of upgrades nor is it going to obtain you anything good in trade. And the fact is, most of the teams at the bottom of the standings every season are what you're calling "project teams". As usual, you refuse to look at the long term benefits for the whole league and choose to look only at the short term gains of one or two teams off the start and continue on with this notion of yours that you're the only one that come up with a brilliant idea for ManMMA. You claimed I wasn't providing any facts... so I provide them, and you shit all over them even though it supports everything that I've been saying... pull your head out of your ass for once already... fack. i got a totally new suggestion since PHX has 37 fighters and everyone has less their be a max fighter of maybe 21-24ish since other will cap out all their fighters well phi owns all other project fighters leaving us with notta just a suggestion cause this dick will lose every season n draft a fighter continuously |
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