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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 29, 2015 16:23:11 GMT -5
Cause the only long-term benefit I see to your suggestion is you finish last with your team of scrubs, the league gives you 6 points for carrying a team literally twice as big as everyone else, so the league upgrades your fighters for you, rather than you upgrading your projects through predictions, posts, etc. Fact is, if you dropped your projects, you have a GP team. No one else has been consistently last, so there is no one else comparable.
You want guys you like. Great. But you can't have guys you like, who are not established MMA superstars (Kampmann, J. MacDonald, Sarah D'Alelio) and expect to not have to put work into them.
If you want a GP team, you have it. What brings you down more than anyone else is your bottom 10 fighters each season. That is a team decision. GP vs. Roster of Projects you like. It should not be up to the league to give you points to make up that gap in quality. You have been offered fighters to help, but you do not want fighters; you want the points to upgrade. I understand that. But it's not the league's job to fill that void that comes about from having a huge team and not being able to power-upgrade them all.
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 29, 2015 16:25:15 GMT -5
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Post by The Rocketmen on Mar 30, 2015 5:50:03 GMT -5
There's always one Edmonton Oilers.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Apr 2, 2015 17:12:29 GMT -5
Cause the only long-term benefit I see to your suggestion is you finish last with your team of scrubs, the league gives you 6 points for carrying a team literally twice as big as everyone else, so the league upgrades your fighters for you, rather than you upgrading your projects through predictions, posts, etc. Fact is, if you dropped your projects, you have a GP team. No one else has been consistently last, so there is no one else comparable. You want guys you like. Great. But you can't have guys you like, who are not established MMA superstars (Kampmann, J. MacDonald, Sarah D'Alelio) and expect to not have to put work into them. If you want a GP team, you have it. What brings you down more than anyone else is your bottom 10 fighters each season. That is a team decision. GP vs. Roster of Projects you like. It should not be up to the league to give you points to make up that gap in quality. You have been offered fighters to help, but you do not want fighters; you want the points to upgrade. I understand that. But it's not the league's job to fill that void that comes about from having a huge team and not being able to power-upgrade them all. I've already addressed this... why re-hash what we've already discussed? You're always saying I repeat myself, yet you're always bringing up things that have already been addressed... make up your mind... do you want me not to repeat myself? ...or are you going to continue to bring up things that have already addressed and force me to repeat myself? Your choice.. cuz I realize, and addressed, that I very well could be the beneficiary of this suggestion in the short term... not the long term.... I'm not Cannon that only upgrades 1 fighter at a time and only upgrades women. And who the fuck are you to say that my entire team is scrubs? Are you some MMA guru now that knows everything about MMA now? Are you calling Lesnar, Cruz, Ortiz, Brown, Davis, Smith, Sherk & Johnson, all scrubs now? ...oh no, of course not... that would ruin your rep as some "MMA guru"  Did I take a roster of fighters I like? Yes. Did I take a few future "superstars" like Gustafsson, Kampmann & Barboza? Sure... and I probably picked them a little early too... so what? They're showing now that they are what I knew they were already IRL.... does your new BS system of capping help them at all? Hell no... cuz there's still more yet to come from them IRL. As for you attacking my roster size, yet again... 1) there is no roster limit; your own rule, so essentially you're attacking yourself and not anyone that's followed the rule and carrying a larger roster.. and 2) As I've explained over and over, I carry a larger roster due to my post volume because every off season I have someone like LBC or Cannon complaining about my point generation through posting... so I carry a larger roster so that the points are spread out. This isn't news... As for your contension that I want a GP team... you're right, I do... but I have a GP team... what I don't have is a team that gets me into the GP every season... so that's partly where you're right... my roster size does bring me down a bit, unless they all have an average to good season... and I've had to deal with that for a long time now; something you've never had to deal with... ever....as I outlined earlier in this thread. You have no idea what it's like to be at the bottom nearly every season.... You have no idea what it's like to be at the bottom and still be under scrutiny cuz you're an active member and have the administration side with less active members on certain things because of whatever reason.... whether it's cuz you hate the fighters on my roster or you hate me... fact is that I have 9 lives here in ManMMA because I am who I am... I bend but I don't break... and I actually have something to offer here, even though I can be a pain in the ass most of the time... and 9/10 times, I actually do know what I'm talking about... contrary to what anyone will tell you. So yes... could what I'm suggesting here benefit me now as the, more often than not, bottom team in the league? Yes, it could... but as a team that's actually trying to get better, I wouldn't be there for long, as much as you'll try and tell everyone otherwise cuz of my team of "scrubs"... except that you're having just as much trouble moving your "elite" fighters as I am moving my "scrubs"... sure, you "upgrade right", but did you upgrade the "right" fighters? Hmmm... seems like differing senarios are actually similar... imagine that. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Apr 2, 2015 20:39:15 GMT -5
Aside from more points, what other ideas do you have?
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Apr 2, 2015 22:19:11 GMT -5
Aside from more points, what other ideas do you have? Aside from acting like an asshole, what else do you have? |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Apr 3, 2015 0:26:57 GMT -5
Well I suggested lower ppe.. And you don't like the more points suggestion... All this is supposed to be is... Make it easier to bounce back.. And make it tougher to stay on top... I would even be ok with top two teams at the end of a season gives 5 points to the non gp teams... #1 pays points to last place. #2 pays to second lowest team ... Something like that
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Apr 3, 2015 11:42:31 GMT -5
Well I suggested lower ppe.. And you don't like the more points suggestion... All this is supposed to be is... Make it easier to bounce back.. And make it tougher to stay on top... I would even be ok with top two teams at the end of a season gives 5 points to the non gp teams... #1 pays points to last place. #2 pays to second lowest team ... Something like that Well, I'd be all over the lowering of the PPP if we hadn't all just gotten a reduction by half. That's something that has basically already been done, which is why I'm still very much in favor of raising the values of the 1st & 2nd overall picks, cuz I agree with you, the idea of it is to make it less of a struggle for the bottom teams and not as easy for the top teams to stay there, which is the way it is now. Just take a look at who's emphatically speaking up against this suggestion and trying to find any excuse under the sun to disprove or discredit cold hard facts presented, all the while claiming he doesn't care where he finishes but finishes in the top 2 every season and is fighting tooth and nail to not give any of the bottom teams any help in this fashion based on who those bottom teams are right now and not based on what would be right for everyone moving forward. Cuz if it were anyone else but myself and Cannon that finished in the last two slots last season, and it was anyone else's suggestion to do this, I can almost guarantee that it wouldn't have been met with this much resistance to it, if any at all. I think the real questions here are: What are we protecting? Who are we protecting? Why is it always the same teams finishing at the top and at the bottom every season? This needs to be fixed cuz part of the fun of this site is supposed to be the ability too watch the progression of your team and the evolution of your fighters... cuz let's face facts here, losing is part and parcel here, but always losing isn't fun for anyone. Now, you can call into question my roster all you want... call them scrubs or whatever, but just as I have fighters on my team that folks don't like or even want to see do well here, so too do many teams... we've also got guys/gals on teams that are now considered elite or are just dominating everyone that probably shouldn't be too, like Hansen, Aoki, Chandler, Holm... the list goes on. So wat's the difference between my scrubs and yours? Nothing, except for the fact that they're on your team and you like them, but everyone else's are somehow better than mine because Sandman likes this guy but doesn't like this other guy... and you see it with the "scrub" champions we have over and over again. Then it gets really daunting because whenever we make suggestions to better our teams, the site and the systems we have in place that aren't working for anyone but the top teams, we're met with "No... No... No..." without even a second thought because all that's ever looked at is the immediate impact of suggestions being brooched by others and who it immediately benefits and no thought is given to the long term benefits to everyone, yet any cockameme BS thing that Sandman comes up with, gets put into place wth virtually no discussion about it and as soon as there's any opposition to it, that's when it gets implemnted immediately cuz Sandman gets pissed off that there's folks that dare defy anything he says or does. There's something inherently with that, don't you think? Yet it seems no one but myself and GAP ever have the gumption to stand up to him and say that we don't think that works or that something isn't right with what he's proposed and offer facts to support our positions but we're usually just shit upon no matter how many supporting facts we make cuz unless you agree with him or your name is Rocketman, he refuses to listen or hear anything you have to say, whether you're actually right or not. As for the further suggestion that the top teams give the bottom teams points, I could get behind that, but I highly doubt that will fly seeing as how the biggest opposition to any changes to how the bottom teams get better is also the guy that also always finishes in the top 2 every season... unfortunately.ortunately. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Apr 3, 2015 12:15:58 GMT -5
Well I suggested lower ppe.. And you don't like the more points suggestion... All this is supposed to be is... Make it easier to bounce back.. And make it tougher to stay on top... I would even be ok with top two teams at the end of a season gives 5 points to the non gp teams... #1 pays points to last place. #2 pays to second lowest team ... Something like that Currently the top team has been trying to give away several of their best fighters to lower-teams and no one wants them. I cannot think of a quicker, easier way to balance the league, so I am still unsold on the actual NEED to make it easier for teams to catch up and harder fort the top teams to stay at the top. But I'm still trying, and I still have like, 3-4 PMed offers out there waiting for a reply... |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Apr 3, 2015 12:22:17 GMT -5
I suggest that Kruze be now known as the handsome sugar daddies. Because that's what he is.
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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Apr 3, 2015 13:19:45 GMT -5
i don care either way im a last place team and with the ol system i made a champion so i don think its broken to be honest. i got some guys in ffid but i aint lost anyone i think if a last place team can win a belt i think theres some good balance.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Apr 3, 2015 13:38:33 GMT -5
Do the last place teams feel they need help? I am at the bottom half of the league, but I don't feel like I need help, I eel like I need to stop being lazy and do more if I want my team to do more. i been last place lots times. i didn have no problems cause it was my fault fo rtradin good guys and it don matter to me if im last i just come back better next year like a warrior. And that's fair enough, but for those of us that haven't made those types of deals, or that many of them, and have perpetually gotten worse as a team and not better... and after the number of seasons that you, yourself, have come after me for PPP saying that I have some sort of advantage over you yet I'm always below you in the standings, really doesn't make much sense... cuz if I have this monster advantage over you, wouldn't the opppsite then be true? And I'd be finishing at the top or near the top of the league and ahead of you instead of the reality that I finish at or near the bottom every season. Well I suggested lower ppe.. And you don't like the more points suggestion... All this is supposed to be is... Make it easier to bounce back.. And make it tougher to stay on top... I would even be ok with top two teams at the end of a season gives 5 points to the non gp teams... #1 pays points to last place. #2 pays to second lowest team ... Something like that Currently the top team has been trying to give away several of their best fighters to lower-teams and no one wants them. I cannot think of a quicker, easier way to balance the league, so I am still unsold on the actual NEED to make it easier for teams to catch up and harder fort the top teams to stay at the top. But I'm still trying, and I still have like, 3-4 PMed offers out there waiting for a reply... Yes, but you're running into the same problem with those "best fighters" of yours, as I am with my fighters... cuz while you upgraded those fighters into being champions or elite fighters here, just like my fighters, no one likes those particular fighters other than you, save for Tate, regardless of how good they are. |
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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Apr 3, 2015 13:48:09 GMT -5
the types of deals like taking the few points we get and upgrading our fighters? lmao if i can do it anyone can i think im lowest poster here.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Apr 3, 2015 16:45:45 GMT -5
the types of deals like taking the few points we get and upgrading our fighters? lmao if i can do it anyone can i think im lowest poster here. No, I was more talking about the charity deals you've done and offered... nor was it meant to start a whole other debate, just mentioned since you were on a related tangent with what I quoted there. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Apr 4, 2015 0:28:32 GMT -5
Think solutions here guys. I've had 1 champion and no gp win since I have been here which is a few seasons now... Not much success with my team. Yet look at how many champions other teams have had. It seems to me, it USUALLY (not always) is the same teams being successful. Whether it is a gp win or a championship win. So the problem exists. But let's come up with options to solve the problem... I have put forth a few solutions but it doesn't seem like people like my ideas.
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Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!