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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 20, 2015 22:25:30 GMT -5
We also don't have clear cut charges of anything; "The Charge - specifically what Sandmen has allegedly done", which leaves no focus to the proceedings at all, and gives too much latitude in terms of evidence presented when "what Sandman has done" could be simply him giving away a fighter or points, which wasn't the idea behind this forum at all. This is part of your job as the prosecution - succinct-ify and clarify what exactly you are accusing me of during the trial (ideally in your opening statements, as is typically the case in trials) You posted all this prematurely without much thought to it, which is and of itself is going part of evidence too. With all due respect to you, man... I think xx - The Broad Street Bullies is better suited to be the judge. I'd personally have no problem with you being the jury though. If I were to sequester a jury it'd be you, Ferocity & xx - The Underdog Regime, but Dogs isn't active enough, I don't think. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 20, 2015 22:29:58 GMT -5
This is part of your job as the prosecution - succinct-ify and clarify what exactly you are accusing me of during the trial (ideally in your opening statements, as is typically the case in trials) You posted all this prematurely without much thought to it, which is and of itself is going part of evidence too. That sentence is very ironic. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 20, 2015 22:30:10 GMT -5
xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club alright, so let's establish what all needs to be discussed in relation to The Sandmen no matter how broad the issues are. What can I do to help gather this information so that we can have a nice and easy collection? Use me at your disposal.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 20, 2015 22:34:57 GMT -5
xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club alright, so let's establish what all needs to be discussed in relation to The Sandmen no matter how broad the issues are. What can I do to help gather this information so that we can have a nice and easy collection? Use me at your disposal. With all due respect, and I'm well aware this is to my mind, but you're probably not the best person to handle that. That's not to be offensive, it's just that you back up Sandman on nearly everything around here too man; whether it's right or wrong. It's why I would call upon GAP to do anything but we a witness to prevent bias. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 20, 2015 22:35:27 GMT -5
Here's the thing. The judge needs to be pretty much the most active person of the whole trial.
The judges job will be to keep people on track and stop the typical bullshit that happens any time there's a dispute.
In an ideal world, the judge will ensure each post is about ONE specific thing (following the "Prosecution introduces claim - defence defends it onto the next claim" pattern).
Kruze and I are the 2 most active members on this site, so someone will have to be there to keep up with that. If something out of line is posted, then it could mess up the trial. LAst thing we want after all this is a mis-trial.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 20, 2015 22:38:26 GMT -5
I've offered to help Kruze, and he politely declined. If he'd rather I not be part of the jury discussions, I can help keep things on track in this, as I am probably the next most active member who actually reads everything, and will maintain a non-bias stance as I will not be weighing in on issues. Only keeping things on point. xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club you cool with that? I think the idea of "judge" sounds exciting, but it isn't, and the real thick of participation is the jury. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 20, 2015 22:41:05 GMT -5
I think the idea of "judge" sounds exciting, but it isn't, and the real thick of participation is the jury. I agree with this. I see this going down this way. Judge does nothing. Prosecution presents statement Defence presents opening statement judge tells us what is next. Prosecution presents argument. If there is an objection, judge evaluates whether its relevant. Otherwise, judge does nothing. Defence defends argument. If there is an objection, judge evaluates whether its relevant. Otherwise, judge does nothing. (and so on until...) Prosecution Presents closing statements Defence presents closing statements. Judge tells jury to collect a verdict. Jury starts a PM convo. Jury reaches verdict. Done. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 20, 2015 22:41:29 GMT -5
I've offered to help Kruze, and he politely declined. If he'd rather I not be part of the jury discussions, I can help keep things on track in this, as I am probably the next most active member who actually reads everything, and will maintain a non-bias stance as I will not be weighing in on issues. Only keeping things on point. xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club you cool with that? I think the idea of "judge" sounds exciting, but it isn't, and the real thick of participation is the jury. You are definitely the next most active member, I have a hard time believing you can keep a non-bias stance based on previous dealings we've had with eachother. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 20, 2015 22:42:39 GMT -5
Yes. If multiple issues are presented, I would request that each are followed through on the submission of issue by prosecution, defense of issue by the defense, and back and forth we go until all issues are discussed, THEN the closing statements by each as an all-encompassing review.
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Sept 20, 2015 22:43:45 GMT -5
|The judge need to break down phxs fucking essay thread into point form or something otherwise itwill be buried or no onegoing to read phx essays
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 20, 2015 22:44:09 GMT -5
Are we having a "discovery" period, or are we skipping that since it's a text-based trial?
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 20, 2015 22:44:52 GMT -5
I've offered to help Kruze, and he politely declined. If he'd rather I not be part of the jury discussions, I can help keep things on track in this, as I am probably the next most active member who actually reads everything, and will maintain a non-bias stance as I will not be weighing in on issues. Only keeping things on point. xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club you cool with that? I think the idea of "judge" sounds exciting, but it isn't, and the real thick of participation is the jury. You are definitely the next most active member, I have a hard time believing you can keep a non-bias stance based on previous dealings we've had with eachother. That's why I think judge is the best role for me to play. Any confusion I have regarding something I can discuss also in private pm's only privy to you and Justin if necessary for clarification on language either way. Keeps things clean, or publicly if you'd rather, but basically I have no sway, I'm just there to keep things on point. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 20, 2015 22:48:04 GMT -5
I know it's rather meaningless given the circumstances, but for those who do trust me I can vouch for Mike's ability to be completely impartial. It's actually half of what our friendship is based upon - calling each other cunts when someone is being a cunt.  |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 20, 2015 23:17:40 GMT -5
I know it's rather meaningless given the circumstances, but for those who do trust me I can vouch for Mike's ability to be completely impartial. It's actually half of what our friendship is based upon - calling each other cunts when someone is being a cunt. And here comes the grandstanding already Justin... why can you not just let things alone instead of manipulating things to your advantage all the time? It's this type of thing that's exactly why Mike shouldn't be the judge. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 20, 2015 23:19:53 GMT -5
1) How is that grandstanding, and more importantly;
2) Would you rather wait 4 days between replies for someone who is on 3 times every 2 weeks? To just sit there and do nothing but keep the discussion on track?
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