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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Dec 24, 2015 2:08:42 GMT -5
I agree with rocketmen when I join if it was all john cena triphe h undertaker and shit I would not ever have joined im here for mma. rocketmen is spot on
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 24, 2015 11:58:38 GMT -5
I want real fight legends, mostly UFC and Pride, but I get how some people get excited by a few Bellator fighters, or even Invicta and Strikeforce (I, myself, have Chandler who I watched in person, but I added him because he legitimately had a belt in Bellator at the time, and I expected him to make the jump to the UFC). I lose significant interest in seeing wrestlers added and guys that are basically fighting in your hometown and have a record online so hey, let's build him up over 7 seasons and make him fight GSP, Silva, etc. IT's ridiculous, and not fun, especially if they win (like Douglas fucking Lima). I was totally fine with it when we had the Manager's League fighters, but that came and went many a time, and is a hassle and people stopped caring, etc. If you want those fighters, then sim the manager's league. Otherwise, go and buy the WWE games, and make your people and enjoy that shit there. It doesn't belong here. Picture someone new looking at joining the site who actually loves MMA. Now imagine that you (or they) join this site, and the champion is HHH or the Undertaker or whoever the hell else. And then ask yourself... do you really want to participate in that nonsense? I understand what you're saying, and you know, if we were actually talking about John Cena, HHH or the Undertaker here, I'd 100% agree with you, but the fact is that we're not. The pro wrestling guys and MMA guys have been legitimately crossing over ranks for decades now, and that's not going to change. So eliminating all pro wrestlers from competing if they have had MMA careers really isn't the answer either. The Lima argument I'm on the fence about because I really have no problem with people building up fighters, that's what upgrades are for... where it gets frustrating for me is seeing him beat the GSP's & Silvas ALL the time. I have no issue with Bellator guys coming in or being champions. Hell, I still have a hope of seeing Jason MacDonald up on that Champions banner, so from that standpoint, I don't mind seeing fighters succeed if the work's been put into them, plus, I'm actually going yo enjoy seeing Rodriguez/Del Rio get his ass kicked soundly for a long while, I'd imagine. lol I've never been a fan of his in WWE.  So where I don't agree with you is that all crossover fighters shouldn't be here, because it's a fact that there have been some that have succeeded in both realms to varying degrees, and it's not like we're creating fighters that have never set foot in the cage before. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Dec 24, 2015 13:43:47 GMT -5
I can see that point. But my further point is that we have Del Rio here, who I can't say anyone actually knew and watched his fights, whereas other crossovers are the likes of Bobby Lashley, Ken Shamrock, Brock Lesnar. Those are legitimate fighters. Del Rio is whatever.
I mean, you could then argue that because Kurt Angle thought about fighting, and he was an Olympic wrestler, that he'd make the jump ala Rousey, and then next draft we have him in the league.
That's what I want eliminated. It sucks Lima is up there, but he was built properly, and actually is a fighter.
But then let's say over the next 15 weeks, Cannon puts his 30 salary points into Del Rio, and he starts contending. What then?
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Dec 24, 2015 14:04:41 GMT -5
I don't really care lol. Do whatever you guys want.
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Post by The West Coast Knockouts on Dec 24, 2015 14:05:02 GMT -5
I can see that point. But my further point is that we have Del Rio here, who I can't say anyone actually knew and watched his fights, whereas other crossovers are the likes of Bobby Lashley, Ken Shamrock, Brock Lesnar. Those are legitimate fighters. Del Rio is whatever. I mean, you could then argue that because Kurt Angle thought about fighting, and he was an Olympic wrestler, that he'd make the jump ala Rousey, and then next draft we have him in the league. That's what I want eliminated. It sucks Lima is up there, but he was built properly, and actually is a fighter. But then let's say over the next 15 weeks, Cannon puts his 30 salary points into Del Rio, and he starts contending. What then? Angle won't be drafted but dude won an Olympic gold medal with a broken neck. Thats pretty bad ass,but i kinda wish he left wwe in 2002 and went the mma route.Guy would probably have been successful but we'll never know. |
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Dec 24, 2015 14:07:22 GMT -5
I want real fight legends, mostly UFC and Pride, but I get how some people get excited by a few Bellator fighters, or even Invicta and Strikeforce (I, myself, have Chandler who I watched in person, but I added him because he legitimately had a belt in Bellator at the time, and I expected him to make the jump to the UFC). I lose significant interest in seeing wrestlers added and guys that are basically fighting in your hometown and have a record online so hey, let's build him up over 7 seasons and make him fight GSP, Silva, etc. IT's ridiculous, and not fun, especially if they win (like Douglas fucking Lima). I was totally fine with it when we had the Manager's League fighters, but that came and went many a time, and is a hassle and people stopped caring, etc. If you want those fighters, then sim the manager's league. Otherwise, go and buy the WWE games, and make your people and enjoy that shit there. It doesn't belong here. Picture someone new looking at joining the site who actually loves MMA. Now imagine that you (or they) join this site, and the champion is HHH or the Undertaker or whoever the hell else. And then ask yourself... do you really want to participate in that nonsense? I understand what you're saying, and you know, if we were actually talking about John Cena, HHH or the Undertaker here, I'd 100% agree with you, but the fact is that we're not. The pro wrestling guys and MMA guys have been legitimately crossing over ranks for decades now, and that's not going to change. So eliminating all pro wrestlers from competing if they have had MMA careers really isn't the answer either. The Lima argument I'm on the fence about because I really have no problem with people building up fighters, that's what upgrades are for... where it gets frustrating for me is seeing him beat the GSP's & Silvas ALL the time. I have no issue with Bellator guys coming in or being champions. Hell, I still have a hope of seeing Jason MacDonald up on that Champions banner, so from that standpoint, I don't mind seeing fighters succeed if the work's been put into them, plus, I'm actually going yo enjoy seeing Rodriguez/Del Rio get his ass kicked soundly for a long while, I'd imagine. lol I've never been a fan of his in WWE. So where I don't agree with you is that all crossover fighters shouldn't be here, because it's a fact that there have been some that have succeeded in both realms to varying degrees, and it's not like we're creating fighters that have never set foot in the cage before. Lima is a bust lol. He hasn't beaten anybody good. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 24, 2015 15:52:51 GMT -5
I can see that point. But my further point is that we have Del Rio here, who I can't say anyone actually knew and watched his fights, whereas other crossovers are the likes of Bobby Lashley, Ken Shamrock, Brock Lesnar. Those are legitimate fighters. Del Rio is whatever. I mean, you could then argue that because Kurt Angle thought about fighting, and he was an Olympic wrestler, that he'd make the jump ala Rousey, and then next draft we have him in the league. That's what I want eliminated. It sucks Lima is up there, but he was built properly, and actually is a fighter. But then let's say over the next 15 weeks, Cannon puts his 30 salary points into Del Rio, and he starts contending. What then? I knew Del Rio was an MMA fighter from being a wrestling fan, but I've never seen any of his fights. I understand what you're saying about Angle, but he's never been in the cage as a pro neither has the Undertaker, who has also said that he'd have gone into MMA if he'd not been successful in WWE... meaning neither could ever be drafted. It's like me, I'd absolutely LOVE to draft Laila Ali for the BW division, but I can't... lol She's only ever been a boxer and has never set foot in a cage or in an MMA ring. The current way it is, whether it's 1 pro MMA fight or 1 pro MMA win, it doesn't matter... That prevents exactly what you're talking about with the wrestlers from happening, save for Dave Bautista, who has 1 fight & 1 win already here, just on the FA list. So, as far as I'm concerned, as it pertains to Del Rio, if you're thought to be good enough at one time to be standing across the ring from Cro Cop in Pride, I literally have no problem with him being here. To me, it's really no different than Jason MacDonald standing across the cage from Rich Franklin. If Cannon actually make something out of him, then have at'er. |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Dec 24, 2015 21:11:56 GMT -5
I'm more inclined to go Byron's route, to be honest. Since any time something gets stupid, I get told "But the rules say I can," I am probably going to do something along Byron's line to really buff up the rules, so I don't have to deal with bullshit picks, drafts, or threats. Having guys like Erik Vigil on ManMMA (outside of ML) would be a waste of my time, and definitely, irrevocably harm my interest in ManMMA. Regardless of record, if you have never even fought in the same league as MINOR leaguers, you certainly have no place in a fantasy real built around the best of all time. Since we only have 12 teams and now a 25-fighter roster limit, I don't foresee us "running out of fighters" thus really ever necessitating fighters of the Erik Vigil/Ivy Calvin calibre. 7 pro fights thats less then what carano had bud... fuck his suggestion.. |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Dec 24, 2015 21:15:09 GMT -5
I can see that point. But my further point is that we have Del Rio here, who I can't say anyone actually knew and watched his fights, whereas other crossovers are the likes of Bobby Lashley, Ken Shamrock, Brock Lesnar. Those are legitimate fighters. Del Rio is whatever. I mean, you could then argue that because Kurt Angle thought about fighting, and he was an Olympic wrestler, that he'd make the jump ala Rousey, and then next draft we have him in the league. That's what I want eliminated. It sucks Lima is up there, but he was built properly, and actually is a fighter. But then let's say over the next 15 weeks, Cannon puts his 30 salary points into Del Rio, and he starts contending. What then? I knew Del Rio was an MMA fighter from being a wrestling fan, but I've never seen any of his fights. I understand what you're saying about Angle, but he's never been in the cage as a pro neither has the Undertaker, who has also said that he'd have gone into MMA if he'd not been successful in WWE... meaning neither could ever be drafted. It's like me, I'd absolutely LOVE to draft Laila Ali for the BW division, but I can't... lol She's only ever been a boxer and has never set foot in a cage or in an MMA ring. The current way it is, whether it's 1 pro MMA fight or 1 pro MMA win, it doesn't matter... That prevents exactly what you're talking about with the wrestlers from happening, save for Dave Bautista, who has 1 fight & 1 win already here, just on the FA list. So, as far as I'm concerned, as it pertains to Del Rio, if you're thought to be good enough at one time to be standing across the ring from Cro Cop in Pride, I literally have no problem with him being here. To me, it's really no different than Jason MacDonald standing across the cage from Rich Franklin. If Cannon actually make something out of him, then have at'er. there no real contention for del rio sandmen made sure of that whit his point grading system of a b c fighters im using del rios a c thus he has no chance in hell of ever beating the a fighters The Rocketmen |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 24, 2015 21:19:43 GMT -5
there no real contention for del rio sandmen made sure of that whit his point grading system of a b c fighters im using del rios a c thus he has no chance in hell of ever beating the a fighters The RocketmenEven in Cannon-ese, that's true lol |
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 25, 2015 21:37:34 GMT -5
1) We don;t have a Del Rio here, and never will.
2) Cap's only matter if you upgrade to cap and upgrade well. If you upgrade well regardless, (see Anthony Johnson & Cung Le), the wins come regardless of opponents overall
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Post by The West Coast Knockouts on Dec 26, 2015 2:06:22 GMT -5
1) We don;t have a Del Rio here, and never will. 2) Cap's only matter if you upgrade to cap and upgrade well. If you upgrade well regardless, (see Anthony Johnson & Cung Le), the wins come regardless of opponents overall Only problem really is how will the fighter be built in the sim system ? like how was Alberto built ? You're the only person who really knows the answer to those questions. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 26, 2015 13:18:20 GMT -5
1) We don;t have a Del Rio here, and never will. 2) Cap's only matter if you upgrade to cap and upgrade well. If you upgrade well regardless, (see Anthony Johnson & Cung Le), the wins come regardless of opponents overall 1) We do have Del Rio here. His name is Alberto Rodriguez and is scheduled to for his debut fight at ManMMA 301. Rodriguez = Del Rio; same person. Your delusional ignoring of that fact and claiming "We don't have Del Rio here, and never will" doesn't make it some how not real. He's here... period. 2) You keep saying this, yet we still have fighter caps. If their overalls don't matter, then why bother having a cap? |
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 26, 2015 14:16:47 GMT -5
2) You keep saying this, yet we still have fighter caps. If their overalls don't matter, then why bother having a cap? If matters if you upgrade well. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 27, 2015 14:26:51 GMT -5
2) You keep saying this, yet we still have fighter caps. If their overalls don't matter, then why bother having a cap? If matters if you upgrade well. Still doesn't answer the question because you can upgrade well with or without a cap... If overalls don't matter, then the caps are virtually useless. |
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So where I don't agree with you is that all crossover fighters shouldn't be here, because it's a fact that there have been some that have succeeded in both realms to varying degrees, and it's not like we're creating fighters that have never set foot in the cage before. 
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