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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 18, 2016 15:39:29 GMT -5
Most people probably don't know or care, but there is a small loophole with our current FiD system that came about after some other seemingly-unrelated site changes. The Long "How and Why" (For those who care):In the past little while, we have introduced two major changes - the introduction of a "2 points a week" and "3-fights per team per card system". These have been very good. But they have created a small but definite loophope in another area of the site - FiD. To reach low-level danger, a fighter basically needs to lose 4 straight fights. Right now, fighters on smaller teams get more fights in a season than fighters on larger teams. That's fine. But the consequence of that is that the struggling fighters on those teams are far more exposed to FiD danger than fighters on large teams. Basically it means that if you are struggling on a small team, you could reach high level danger after 1 season, but if you are on a larger team, the same level of danger could take 2 seasons. With the same point payout, you can see where the imbalance comes in. So what stupid-ass rule are you implementing now, Justin?I've devised a formula to establish FiD danger numbers for each team based on team size. If you are following each fighter on your team closely, you will notice the change. If you aren't, if you just wait for your guys to be on FiD, you won't see any difference. But what I'm doing is basically making it so the higher your numbers, the fewer fights you need to get onto FiD. The smaller your team, the more losses your fighter needs to end up on FiD. Over the past season, we have seen a lot of smaller teams' fighters on FiD, and the reason is clearly they are fighting more - lots of larger teams have fighters on losing streaks, but they fight less, so they lose less frequently. Show me numbers, you rambling jackass!Fine! Starting immediately, your fighter will show on up FiD if they have lost this many consecutive fights: Broad Street Bullies - 4 Camp Cannon - 4 Canadian Bulldozers - 4 Ferocity - 4 Lord Byron's Conquistadors - 4 Phoenix Fight Club - 3 Team GAP - 3 The Mighty Ducks - 4 The RocketMen - 4 The Sandmen - 3 The Underdog Regime - 4 West Coast Knockouts - 4 Again, you don't really have to do anything for this. It mostly affects me, and how I do the things I do. But consider it an FYI and a "Now you Know!" And lastly, a reminder, for those about to freak out - these are the numbers that it will take for a fighter to end up on FiD's low level danger. So even if it takes you 3 consecutive losses to show up on the list, you still have to reach 6 consecutive losses (without upgrades or stand-out performances) to be completely cut. Happy FiDing  |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Aug 18, 2016 15:47:42 GMT -5
sounds good
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Aug 18, 2016 15:57:59 GMT -5
I'm waiting for Kruze.
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Aug 19, 2016 11:26:59 GMT -5
cool beans
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 20, 2016 23:48:39 GMT -5
You should, cuz this is fucking bullshit on every level imaginable. We want fairness here eh? This isn't it. Sandman: "Oh, I'm just going to give everyone but Kruze & GAP a 4 fight limit, but I'll include myself at 3, so that makes it ok..." Fuck that shit. Formal Protest. This ain't right at all. I do my due diligence to cut down my roster size cuz folks were complaining, and THIS is what you come up with... more penalizing measures? Fuck you... on so many levels. This is more than obviously targeted at two individuals on this site. Shame on you The Sandmen... You've literally hit an all-time new low. And that's not me freaking out about it either... That's just stating a fact. You're a piece of shit, and now you're showing it... Bravo! Everyone knows it now... *golf clap* |
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 21, 2016 2:44:03 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with the teams affected, and more to do with basic math. (FiD danger number = average number of fights a fighter on your team will have in a season). Clean. Simple.
If my fighter loses every fight in a season, he is on a 2 or 3 fight losing streak. If someone like one of Knockouts' fighters loses every fight in a season, he is at a 4 or 5 fight losing streak. And yet, we get the same amount of points in a season. So it's actually a strategic advantage to have more fighters than it is fewer (since your weaker guys will fight less in a season)
This rule is about keeping things fair, and as has been pointed out to me privately, things were not fair before. Now they are. If you can look past the surface of the "3 vs. 4" fight FiD thing and tell me why you think it is unfair, I'm all ears. But simply saying "fuck you Justin, fuck you its not fair" without actually presenting concrete reasoning (i.e. basic math), then you're not standing on much here.
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Aug 21, 2016 3:29:18 GMT -5
You should, cuz this is fucking bullshit on every level imaginable. We want fairness here eh? This isn't it. Sandman: "Oh, I'm just going to give everyone but Kruze & GAP a 4 fight limit, but I'll include myself at 3, so that makes it ok..." Fuck that shit. Formal Protest. This ain't right at all. I do my due diligence to cut down my roster size cuz folks were complaining, and THIS is what you come up with... more penalizing measures? Fuck you... on so many levels. This is more than obviously targeted at two individuals on this site. Shame on you The Sandmen... You've literally hit an all-time new low. And that's not me freaking out about it either... That's just stating a fact. You're a piece of shit, and now you're showing it... Bravo! Everyone knows it now... *golf clap* i only have 3 fighters per class whereas u have like 5 chill all 5 of ur guys are spread out through out the season u wont lose anyone |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 21, 2016 4:14:00 GMT -5
You should, cuz this is fucking bullshit on every level imaginable. We want fairness here eh? This isn't it. Sandman: "Oh, I'm just going to give everyone but Kruze & GAP a 4 fight limit, but I'll include myself at 3, so that makes it ok..." Fuck that shit. Formal Protest. This ain't right at all. I do my due diligence to cut down my roster size cuz folks were complaining, and THIS is what you come up with... more penalizing measures? Fuck you... on so many levels. This is more than obviously targeted at two individuals on this site. Shame on you The Sandmen... You've literally hit an all-time new low. And that's not me freaking out about it either... That's just stating a fact. You're a piece of shit, and now you're showing it... Bravo! Everyone knows it now... *golf clap* i only have 3 fighters per class whereas u have like 5 chill all 5 of ur guys are spread out through out the season u wont lose anyone I don't have 5 in any weight class anymore... learn to count Normand. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 21, 2016 4:37:35 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with the teams affected, and more to do with basic math. (FiD danger number = average number of fights a fighter on your team will have in a season). Clean. Simple. If my fighter loses every fight in a season, he is on a 2 or 3 fight losing streak. If someone like one of Knockouts' fighters loses every fight in a season, he is at a 4 or 5 fight losing streak. And yet, we get the same amount of points in a season. So it's actually a strategic advantage to have more fighters than it is fewer (since your weaker guys will fight less in a season) This rule is about keeping things fair, and as has been pointed out to me privately, things were not fair before. Now they are. If you can look past the surface of the "3 vs. 4" fight FiD thing and tell me why you think it is unfair, I'm all ears. But simply saying "fuck you Justin, fuck you its not fair" without actually presenting concrete reasoning (i.e. basic math), then you're not standing on much here. This isn't about being fair at all... get your head out of your ass, for once. There is absolutely zero reason for this with the current numbers there are in the league. You're, once again, creating a problem that doesn't exist anymore due to your 3 fighters per card rule, which was supposed to even out the number of fights per team/per season already Couple that with my 2 cuts on my roster size, spreading the talent out in through the league, and this is purely, and utterly, you being a douche bag because you can... not because there's any pressing need to do anything. We haven't even really seen how your "3 fighters per card" rule is working properly yet really since you now claim you're giving more fights to fighters on "smaller teams", even though the reality is that a majority of teams now are at around the same numbers now. And your "big solution" is this? All it looks like is you targeting GAP & I for some fictitious reason that you've made up and adding yourself to the mix to make it seem "fair", when the truth is... there's nothing fair about this at all. This "formula" you've "devised" simply targets 2 teams, period... cuz let's face facts here... how often and how many fighters do you ever have on FiD? I mean... really. Suddenly you have 2 cuz of your bullshit rule?  LMAO And you really could care less about "Paul Harris" or Barnett getting cut from your team. You don't give a shit... but that still doesn't justify why it's only GAP and I getting shafted by this bullshit rule. And the fact is, there is no justification for it other than you choosing to be a dick bag to us, for some reason.... and this is even despite the fact I've been pretty quiet for almost 2 months now... going about my business, and minding my own business, for the most part. You miss me bitching about everything so much that you have to pull this shit? ...Really? Cuz I've cut my roster down... That wasn't not enough. So, I cut it down again... now that's not enough either. Now GAP is "guilty by association" because he's my buddy and we're really the only two teams affected by this? Hmmm... no, that doesn't sound like bias bullshit at all, does it?  lol So yah, a BIG "Fuck you Justin!"  is 100% warranted here dude... cuz you're just being a fucking asshole for the god damn hell of it and no other reason. You can post whatever bullshit reasoning you want from here on out, and it won't matter now. It's plainly obvious what this shit's really all about here, and it has literally zero to do with "fairness" for the site. What this is, literally, your own petty bullshit because I didn't trade away the fighters YOU wanted me to trade when I did my cuts. I found a way to keep my core together along with my mainstays that I like, except for Budd. Well, boo-fucking-hoo Justin...  Cuz I still made my cuts, as requested... Whether I did it while kicking and screaming about it or not is irrelevant. Yet you're still "devising" penalizing measures towards my team when I did what was asked of me to do, regardless of whether it was how you wanted it done or not. So yah, this "new rule" is complete bullshit and just your way of pouting cuz you didn't exactly get your way, to the letter... even though you did get what you wanted, which was for me to cut down to 20 fighters (4 per weight class). Which isn't outlandish numbers for any of the weight classes at all; for any team. Just grow up already man... Cuz I mean, honestly, why can't you just leave me the fuck alone and let me enjoy the site in peace already? What the fuck is your problem? I wasn't causing any problems to this point. You're the one creating them all on your own, and most of them are in your own head now because the roster size issue has been rectified. Get over yourself. |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Aug 21, 2016 14:20:17 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with the teams affected, and more to do with basic math. (FiD danger number = average number of fights a fighter on your team will have in a season). Clean. Simple. If my fighter loses every fight in a season, he is on a 2 or 3 fight losing streak. If someone like one of Knockouts' fighters loses every fight in a season, he is at a 4 or 5 fight losing streak. And yet, we get the same amount of points in a season. So it's actually a strategic advantage to have more fighters than it is fewer (since your weaker guys will fight less in a season) This rule is about keeping things fair, and as has been pointed out to me privately, things were not fair before. Now they are. If you can look past the surface of the "3 vs. 4" fight FiD thing and tell me why you think it is unfair, I'm all ears. But simply saying "fuck you Justin, fuck you its not fair" without actually presenting concrete reasoning (i.e. basic math), then you're not standing on much here. This isn't about being fair at all... get your head out of your ass, for once. There is absolutely zero reason for this with the current numbers there are in the league. You're, once again, creating a problem that doesn't exist anymore due to your 3 fighters per card rule, which was supposed to even out the number of fights per team/per season already Couple that with my 2 cuts on my roster size, spreading the talent out in through the league, and this is purely, and utterly, you being a douche bag because you can... not because there's any pressing need to do anything. We haven't even really seen how your "3 fighters per card" rule is working properly yet really since you now claim you're giving more fights to fighters on "smaller teams", even though the reality is that a majority of teams now are at around the same numbers now. And your "big solution" is this? All it looks like is you targeting GAP & I for some fictitious reason that you've made up and adding yourself to the mix to make it seem "fair", when the truth is... there's nothing fair about this at all. This "formula" you've "devised" simply targets 2 teams, period... cuz let's face facts here... how often and how many fighters do you ever have on FiD? I mean... really. Suddenly you have 2 cuz of your bullshit rule? LMAO And you really could care less about "Paul Harris" or Barnett getting cut from your team. You don't give a shit... but that still doesn't justify why it's only GAP and I getting shafted by this bullshit rule. And the fact is, there is no justification for it other than you choosing to be a dick bag to us, for some reason.... and this is even despite the fact I've been pretty quiet for almost 2 months now... going about my business, and minding my own business, for the most part. You miss me bitching about everything so much that you have to pull this shit? ...Really? Cuz I've cut my roster down... That wasn't not enough. So, I cut it down again... now that's not enough either. Now GAP is "guilty by association" because he's my buddy and we're really the only two teams affected by this? Hmmm... no, that doesn't sound like bias bullshit at all, does it? lol So yah, a BIG "Fuck you Justin!" is 100% warranted here dude... cuz you're just being a fucking asshole for the god damn hell of it and no other reason. You can post whatever bullshit reasoning you want from here on out, and it won't matter now. It's plainly obvious what this shit's really all about here, and it has literally zero to do with "fairness" for the site. What this is, literally, your own petty bullshit because I didn't trade away the fighters YOU wanted me to trade when I did my cuts. I found a way to keep my core together along with my mainstays that I like, except for Budd. Well, boo-fucking-hoo Justin... Cuz I still made my cuts, as requested... Whether I did it while kicking and screaming about it or not is irrelevant. Yet you're still "devising" penalizing measures towards my team when I did what was asked of me to do, regardless of whether it was how you wanted it done or not. So yah, this "new rule" is complete bullshit and just your way of pouting cuz you didn't exactly get your way, to the letter... even though you did get what you wanted, which was for me to cut down to 20 fighters (4 per weight class). Which isn't outlandish numbers for any of the weight classes at all; for any team. Just grow up already man... Cuz I mean, honestly, why can't you just leave me the fuck alone and let me enjoy the site in peace already? What the fuck is your problem? I wasn't causing any problems to this point. You're the one creating them all on your own, and most of them are in your own head now because the roster size issue has been rectified. Get over yourself. \ You Mad Bro? |
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 21, 2016 14:25:05 GMT -5
I love how many paragraphs of that was dedicated to trying to claim I targeted you and GAP. Do the math. Average number of fights per fighter per team. How is that unfair? If your fighter loses every single fight, all season, they are in LOW level danger. Again, if you were paying attention, you would have seen smaller teams have gone about 2/3rds of a season and ended up on FiD, whereas fighters on large teams won't even come close to that number for almost 2 seasons. If you think that is fair, then perhaps it is you who must pull his head out of his arse.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 21, 2016 14:36:00 GMT -5
This isn't about being fair at all... get your head out of your ass, for once. There is absolutely zero reason for this with the current numbers there are in the league. You're, once again, creating a problem that doesn't exist anymore due to your 3 fighters per card rule, which was supposed to even out the number of fights per team/per season already Couple that with my 2 cuts on my roster size, spreading the talent out in through the league, and this is purely, and utterly, you being a douche bag because you can... not because there's any pressing need to do anything. We haven't even really seen how your "3 fighters per card" rule is working properly yet really since you now claim you're giving more fights to fighters on "smaller teams", even though the reality is that a majority of teams now are at around the same numbers now. And your "big solution" is this? All it looks like is you targeting GAP & I for some fictitious reason that you've made up and adding yourself to the mix to make it seem "fair", when the truth is... there's nothing fair about this at all. This "formula" you've "devised" simply targets 2 teams, period... cuz let's face facts here... how often and how many fighters do you ever have on FiD? I mean... really. Suddenly you have 2 cuz of your bullshit rule? LMAO And you really could care less about "Paul Harris" or Barnett getting cut from your team. You don't give a shit... but that still doesn't justify why it's only GAP and I getting shafted by this bullshit rule. And the fact is, there is no justification for it other than you choosing to be a dick bag to us, for some reason.... and this is even despite the fact I've been pretty quiet for almost 2 months now... going about my business, and minding my own business, for the most part. You miss me bitching about everything so much that you have to pull this shit? ...Really? Cuz I've cut my roster down... That wasn't not enough. So, I cut it down again... now that's not enough either. Now GAP is "guilty by association" because he's my buddy and we're really the only two teams affected by this? Hmmm... no, that doesn't sound like bias bullshit at all, does it? lol So yah, a BIG "Fuck you Justin!" is 100% warranted here dude... cuz you're just being a fucking asshole for the god damn hell of it and no other reason. You can post whatever bullshit reasoning you want from here on out, and it won't matter now. It's plainly obvious what this shit's really all about here, and it has literally zero to do with "fairness" for the site. What this is, literally, your own petty bullshit because I didn't trade away the fighters YOU wanted me to trade when I did my cuts. I found a way to keep my core together along with my mainstays that I like, except for Budd. Well, boo-fucking-hoo Justin... Cuz I still made my cuts, as requested... Whether I did it while kicking and screaming about it or not is irrelevant. Yet you're still "devising" penalizing measures towards my team when I did what was asked of me to do, regardless of whether it was how you wanted it done or not. So yah, this "new rule" is complete bullshit and just your way of pouting cuz you didn't exactly get your way, to the letter... even though you did get what you wanted, which was for me to cut down to 20 fighters (4 per weight class). Which isn't outlandish numbers for any of the weight classes at all; for any team. Just grow up already man... Cuz I mean, honestly, why can't you just leave me the fuck alone and let me enjoy the site in peace already? What the fuck is your problem? I wasn't causing any problems to this point. You're the one creating them all on your own, and most of them are in your own head now because the roster size issue has been rectified. Get over yourself. \ You Mad Bro? No, not really... lol Can't say I'm surprised either given Sandman's track record with this shit either.  I just find it funny that Sandman uses/creates ManMMA "rules" to facilitate his own personal agenda, masking it with the word "fairness", and folks are actually buying into his BS, especially in this instance where it's so plainly obvious that it's bloody sad. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 21, 2016 14:41:54 GMT -5
I love how many paragraphs of that was dedicated to trying to claim I targeted you and GAP. Do the math. Average number of fights per fighter per team. How is that unfair? If your fighter loses every single fight, all season, they are in LOW level danger. Again, if you were paying attention, you would have seen smaller teams have gone about 2/3rds of a season and ended up on FiD, whereas fighters on large teams won't even come close to that number for almost 2 seasons. If you think that is fair, then perhaps it is you who must pull his head out of his arse. It's a fictitious issue that doesn't exist anymore because the talent is more spread out not and the average number of fighters on each team is about even now, save for probably KOs who's starting to catch up to everyone else. There are no exorbitantly "large" teams in the league anymore because of the cuts I made from 27 to 22; then 22 to 20. It's actually because of your 3 fighters per team, per card that's creating the problem for yourself. Not mention your giving of fight preference to allegedly "small" team's fighters, and you're making me the scapegoat of an issue YOU created, despite the fact that I adhered to dropping down to a 20 fighter roster with only 4 per weight class. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 21, 2016 15:25:17 GMT -5
I have taken out all subjectivity in booking now, guy. You are speaking 100% out of your ass.
Right now, every team has 3 fighters per card. Period.
Every team has 2 points a week. Period.
Every team's FiD is now their average fights per fighter per season. Period.
Clean, concrete math.
The issue you keep claiming doesn't exist (without actually doing the math or research I see), does, in fact, exist, which you would know if you were the one doing all the work around here. (Which you aren't - just all the bitching...and the not-simming of your own sim site - kudos there).
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 21, 2016 16:15:46 GMT -5
I have taken out all subjectivity in booking now, guy. You are speaking 100% out of your ass. Right now, every team has 3 fighters per card. Period. Every team has 2 points a week. Period. Every team's FiD is now their average fights per fighter per season. Period. Clean, concrete math. The issue you keep claiming doesn't exist (without actually doing the math or research I see), does, in fact, exist, which you would know if you were the one doing all the work around here. (Which you aren't - just all the bitching...and the not-simming of your own sim site - kudos there). Firstly, you said exactly this: Right now, fighters on smaller teams get more fights in a season than fighters on larger teams. How is that not subjectivity exactly? Oh right... it is subjectivity. lol Your mistake. Secondly, there is no concrete math cuz there is no issue except one you're creating for yourself in your pitiful attempt, in what seems like a quest, to continue cutting my roster even further after the cuts I've made already. You didn't even show the actual roster numbers for each team nor the number of fighters each team has in each weight class to facilitate moving forward with such a move. All you said was "I'm puting PHX, GAP & myself at 3 and everyone else at 4, without showing any concrete numbers for anything to support this whatsoever.", but out the other side of your mouth you claim you're showing concrete math... So where is it? Show your alleged "concrete math" cuz if everyone is getting the same number of fights every season Thirdly, you've done about as much work around here in the simming department as I have at my own site lately. lol So you can be a hypocrite about that all you like and bring it up til you're blue in the face... I don't give a shit. I work 5-6 days/week; 9-5 now and I'm sure as hell not ashamed of that. I'm also not sitting on my ass all day playing playing house husband, popping bon-bons like Peg Bundy, trying to belittle working people to make myself feel superior. Cuz it's plainly obviously that it's WAY more important for you to fuck with me, even though I've been more or less quiet for a while AND adhered to your roster cut BS, than it is for you to sim or to even post fucking a card... Where's 328 buddy? Hmmm? lol And that still doesn't change the fact that this move you've made here, without actually showing your "concrete math", is complete and total BS. Now, if you were to do this, but by individual weight classes rather than the team roster numbers, and base it on those separately, that'd be completely different because that'd be a more accurate depiction of what you're actually claiming you're trying to accomplish by doing this. Whereby folks with more fighters in a certain weight class have a lower FiD number for that weight class, not their entire team, cuz there's teams out there that have 5 fighters in one weight class, whereas teams like mine have 4 or less. That makes WAY more sense than penalizing entire teams as a whole for something that isn't just the largest rosters' issue. It a league wide thing, not segregated to the highest top percentile of roster size. You just do what you're doing, but on a more acute scale, so that it's fair for everyone, not just the teams that have under 18 fighters. |
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LMAO And you really could care less about "Paul Harris" or Barnett getting cut from your team. You don't give a shit... but that still doesn't justify why it's only GAP and I getting shafted by this bullshit rule. And the fact is, there is no justification for it other than you choosing to be a dick bag to us, for some reason.... and this is even despite the fact I've been pretty quiet for almost 2 months now... going about my business, and minding my own business, for the most part. You miss me bitching about everything so much that you have to pull this shit? 
lol So yah, a BIG "Fuck you Justin!" 
is 100% warranted here dude... cuz you're just being a fucking asshole for the god damn hell of it and no other reason. You can post whatever bullshit reasoning you want from here on out, and it won't matter now. It's plainly obvious what this shit's really all about here, and it has literally zero to do with "fairness" for the site. What this is, literally, your own petty bullshit because I didn't trade away the fighters YOU wanted me to trade when I did my cuts. I found a way to keep my core together along with my mainstays that I like, except for Budd. Well, boo-fucking-hoo Justin... 
Cuz I still made my cuts, as requested... Whether I did it while kicking and screaming about it or not is irrelevant. Yet you're still "devising" penalizing measures towards my team when I did what was asked of me to do, regardless of whether it was how you wanted it done or not. So yah, this "new rule" is complete bullshit and just your way of pouting cuz you didn't exactly get your way, to the letter... even though you did get what you wanted, which was for me to cut down to 20 fighters (4 per weight class). Which isn't outlandish numbers for any of the weight classes at all; for any team. Just grow up already man...
I just find it funny that Sandman uses/creates ManMMA "rules" to facilitate his own personal agenda, masking it with the word "fairness", and folks are actually buying into his BS, especially in this instance where it's so plainly obvious that it's bloody sad. 