A Detailed "Coaches" Suggestion

[xx - Former Bulldozers]

But there are enough players that can cap at 83 for everybody to have one. There aren't enough high rated coaches for everybody to have one.

[The Sandmen]

There are enough 85s for everyone to have one, but not everyone necessarily does. And there would not be if we got just 2-3 more members.

Also, this is based on the assumption everyone will want a coach. Kruze has said he was not interested in this. Plus since coaches are not permanent, I would imagine some people would be perfectly happy taking a 1 point coach that pays for himself after just 1 season. It just creates options.

The thing is, this particular objection is not something we can work around. If all coaches are equal, if Greg fucking Jackson equals Edmond fucking Tarverdyan then the system is broken and silly, and we might as well not even have coaches.

[xx - Former Bulldozers]

Why are coaches not permanent?

[The Sandmen]

They would be permanent as long as you want them. So like, until you cut or trade them. I don't see why they should be more permanent than that (like locked on a team). Let's say you draft Ray Longo, and I want Ray Longo, this would allow us to make a trade for Ray Longo. It also opens up more creative avenues of trade and package deals and such.

[The Rocketmen]

I'm seriously incredibly excited for this. Someone should trade for every gracie and get cesar. that would be so fucking awesome.

[Ferocity]

Just so I'm clear... The cost is a one time cost? Or are you somehow losing points to have one yearly?

[xx - Former Bulldozers]

Ya like do we have to pay 7 points every season?

[The Rocketmen]

I'm assuming it's a one-time cost, hence The Sandmen constantly saying "you get what you paid for after season 2"

[The Sandmen]

Ferocity & xx - Former Bulldozers - Yes, it's a one time cost. You buy the coach. Unless you cut or trade him, he is your coach forever. The points your coach earns you come at the end of every season (after Grand Prix).

[Lord Byron's Conquistadors]

ummmm ok so im not sure I would use this it all depends on if the coaches I like are around and how much and everything. I like just having the coaches I claimed since they the best coaches money can buy but since ducks coaches were stupid I can see how he ruined it for us all. I guess this is fine I don really see the problem like I get what bulldozers is sayin but I think way I see it it takes a while to pay off so its a gamble maybe you could win a belt if you didn't spend 7 points ona coach. sometimes its about opportunity and you can iss that if you waste 7 points on a coach. now I donno if I think its broken but an idea I jus had about what bulldozers said of you get 5 points a season forever what if it was diminished returns. like if it needs fixed if people more than me think its broken since I don't care as much. if its broke diminish the returns each season like 5 points after season 1, 4 points after season 2, 3 points after season 3, down to just being worth a point every season. that way no matter who you have drafted after 7 seasons no coach is worth more the DVANTAGE PHX AND bulldozers talked about is gone and everything is fair again but guys also get their little bonus out of having greg Jackson or andre pedenaris for that many seasons. just a thought.

[The Sandmen]

Oct 7, 2016 2:30:04 GMT -5 Lord Byron's Conquistadors said:

now I donno if I think its broken but an idea I jus had about what bulldozers said of you get 5 points a season forever what if it was diminished returns. like if it needs fixed if people more than me think its broken since I don't care as much. if its broke diminish the returns each season like 5 points after season 1, 4 points after season 2, 3 points after season 3, down to just being worth a point every season. that way no matter who you have drafted after 7 seasons no coach is worth more the DVANTAGE PHX AND bulldozers talked about is gone and everything is fair again but guys also get their little bonus out of having greg Jackson or andre pedenaris for that many seasons. just a thought.

This is interesting. Thoughts xx - Former Bulldozers, xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club, and/or whomever else had concerns about the original "5 points forever" part?

[The Texas Rattlesnakes]

That is actually a really good idea.

[xx - Former Bulldozers]

I'm fine with that. Get 15 points back for 7 before the 1 point every season.

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Oct 7, 2016 8:01:42 GMT -5 The Sandmen said:

Oct 7, 2016 2:30:04 GMT -5 Lord Byron's Conquistadors said:

now I donno if I think its broken but an idea I jus had about what bulldozers said of you get 5 points a season forever what if it was diminished returns. like if it needs fixed if people more than me think its broken since I don't care as much. if its broke diminish the returns each season like 5 points after season 1, 4 points after season 2, 3 points after season 3, down to just being worth a point every season. that way no matter who you have drafted after 7 seasons no coach is worth more the DVANTAGE PHX AND bulldozers talked about is gone and everything is fair again but guys also get their little bonus out of having greg Jackson or andre pedenaris for that many seasons. just a thought.

This is interesting. Thoughts xx - Former Bulldozers, xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club, and/or whomever else had concerns about the original "5 points forever" part?

That kind of defeats the purpose of it though, doesn't it? Unless the coach resets after the 5-6 seasons or whatever. I mean, why payout that much to have it dwindle away to basically nothing? Especially when these are being considered the "best coaches of all-time".

I honestly don't know... Since I'm still not really much in favor of this format exactly at all anyways, despite the lower "cost" cuz:
1) it still favors the teams that have or have been able to hoard/stockpile points for whatever reason. And, like it or not, most of those teams are the fairly stacked teams in the league already. That's just a fact.
2) I'm still seeing it as discouraging current fighter upgrades to a degree since it's a new thing and most folks will either be saving to get one or go into debt to get one at the draft, which, to me, does a disservice to teams that actually need the fighter upgrades more than they need a coach still, but you don't want to get left behind and not have one, and put yourself at a disadvantage. It's still a damned if you do and damned if you don't senario, and I, quite frankly, don't like that aspect of it at all.
3) There's only 1 shot at getting Jackson & Winklejohn, for one lucky team, when the reality is that these coaches can and do train fighters from different fight teams all the time. Why are they exclusive to one fight team? That makes no sense to me.

So, yah... I still like the idea of everyone just gets a coach for free and it's up to them whether they activate/upgrade their coach with 1-5(7), whatever it is the max would be. That way everyone has an equal and fair opportunity to have a top coach, and it places more option and control; in the hands of the individual teams, rather than have any advantages or disadvantages in having these tiered coaches exclusive to one fight team. Just my opinion.

[The Sandmen]

Oct 7, 2016 10:18:30 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

1) it still favors the teams that have or have been able to hoard/stockpile points for whatever reason. And, like it or not, most of those teams are the fairly stacked teams in the league already. That's just a fact.
2) I'm still seeing it as discouraging current fighter upgrades to a degree since it's a new thing and most folks will either be saving to get one or go into debt to get one at the draft, which, to me, does a disservice to teams that actually need the fighter upgrades more than they need a coach still, but you don't want to get left behind and not have one, and put yourself at a disadvantage. It's still a damned if you do and damned if you don't senario, and I, quite frankly, don't like that aspect of it at all.
3) There's only 1 shot at getting Jackson & Winklejohn, for one lucky team, when the reality is that these coaches can and do train fighters from different fight teams all the time. Why are they exclusive to one fight team? That makes no sense to me.

So, yah... I still like the idea of everyone just gets a coach for free and it's up to them whether they activate/upgrade their coach with 1-5(7), whatever it is the max would be. That way everyone has an equal and fair opportunity to have a top coach, and it places more option and control; in the hands of the individual teams, rather than have any advantages or disadvantages in having these tiered coaches exclusive to one fight team. Just my opinion.

1) a) That is not a fact, that is a statement of your opinion. Facts include things like numbers (for example, FACT is if the draft were held RIGHT NOW, only 4 teams could not afford the best coach outright. That is forgetting things like the loan system I offered, and the return people could get if they drafted points with their 2 picks).

b) What do you count as a "stacked team"? In everyone's opinion, your team will never be stacked, because you like fighters who were never legit champions - fighters like Jason MacDonald, Ryan Bader, and Mac Danzig. If you are going by names, your team is sparse of talent, and that is of your own choosing. Someone like KNockouts, however, is stacked based on names, and he is currently in 11th place. So any mention of "stacked" is 100% moot in this league. If you want to talk about records or standings, those are facts. "Stacked" is not a fact, it is an opinion.

2) This statement implies that "we" as the league know what is better for an individual team than the team does. To NOT put this in place because "people will use it when they should be upgrading a fighter" is insane. I felt you SHOULD have been upgrading Cat Zingano or Julie Kedzie when you kept fine-tuning Sarah D'Alelio instead. Did you give any shits? So why should other teams care about this point now. It's their team, they should be allowed to make these decisions, no?

3) a) You said it yourself right there. LUCK. LUCK, not "available points" or "stacked team" will determine who GETS THE OPTION IF THEY WANT IT to buy Jackson-Winklejohn.

b) What you describe in the second half of your #3 is training camps. We have those. You hate those too.

4) Your desire for free points, I mean coaches, has been noted. But it is not happening. We had free coaches for 4.5 years that did nothing. Now this suggestion is about coaches that DO something. There is a cost to that. You get 2 free points a week. It's time to make some decisions and actually earn additional points. Not rely on Justin to just hand them out via free coaches for everyone.