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Post by The Rocketmen on Mar 30, 2017 10:22:11 GMT -5
Wouldn't that be putting the same restrictions on the team's use of said fighter?
Team can opt whatever weight class they want, imo.
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 30, 2017 10:22:14 GMT -5
Yeah, so you guys remember what I said before? About not forcing people's hand when it comes to the GP? That's not suddenly going to change now, making us force people to put SF champs in specific weight classes. I might even go as far as saying that is completely off the table. Because, you know, "YOU MUST DO THIS WITH YOUR GP TEAM" is a completely new level of bullshit that I don't really want any part of.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Mar 30, 2017 10:23:16 GMT -5
All this should be is "can we have the SF fighter in the Grand Prix?"
Everyone said yes.
Case closed. the rest is team management.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Mar 30, 2017 10:33:22 GMT -5
Then i vote no. No champions in GP. Gp is to show which team can shine without champions. Letting in one champ is a slippery slope. Then we might aswell say all champions are welcome... no.. taking out champions imo evens the playing field for teams that dont have champions. Lets be fair. Keep all champions out of the gp.
I thought if you allowed the sf champion to fight in the open weightclass then its kinda the same field as ghe challenges where anyone can win. But if you allow the sf champ to fight in hw only.. then only a hw can win it. Keep the sf championship to be defended as it was intended.. anyone can win it. Open weight class only or no gp entry.
I am not saying you must do something with your fighter. I am giving them the option enter the gp as an open weightclass fighter to defend your title against whoever.. open challenge. OR you can sit out and not fight in the gp and cheer your team on. Your choice. Lets say Diego Sanchez is LW champion and we were discussing about having other champions in the gp. Then even though he is LW champ would you allow him to fight as a MW? Doesnt make sense... when you are champ you are fighting for the weight class where your belt is.
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Mar 30, 2017 10:36:10 GMT -5
Then i vote no. No champions in GP. Gp is to show which team can shine without champions. Letting in one champ is a slippery slope. Then we might aswell say all champions are welcome... no.. taking out champions imo evens the playing field for teams that dont have champions. Lets be fair. Keep all champions out of the gp. I thought if you allowed the sf champion to fight in the open weightclass then its kinda the same field as ghe challenges where anyone can win. But if you allow the sf champ to fight in hw only.. then only a hw can win it. Keep the sf championship to be defended as it was intended.. anyone can win it. Open weight class only or no gp entry. It's not HW only either lmao. The person can decide which class they want the fighter to fight in. I may go with OW or HW, I'll decide when I think where the majority would put their stronger HW in, whether it's OW or HW. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 30, 2017 10:48:24 GMT -5
Letting in one champ is a slippery slope. Then we might aswell say all champions are welcome... No slippery slope at all. It's a very clear line. For other titles, you have to win a tournament to EARN a title shot. For SuperFight, ANYONE can challenge for it at ANY time. But if you allow the sf champ to fight in hw only.. then only a hw can win it. Keep the sf championship to be defended as it was intended.. anyone can win it. Huh? The SuperFight fighter can fight at any weightclass they are eligible. If Anderson was SuperFight champ, he could fight at MW, HW, or OW. Plus, this does not stop other weight classes from winning it. It just stops them from winning it at the GP. Whcih we are establishing is a bonus perk anyways. They can still challenge for it later. I am giving them the option enter the gp as an open weightclass fighter to defend your title against whoever.. open challenge. OR you can sit out and not fight in the gp and cheer your team on. Your choice. I don;t understand the logic in that though. Why only openweight? Because it's hypothetically possible someone might put a non-HW in that? What if people only put HWs in OW? This feels like a really weird reason to stop what could be an exciting chain of title changes at a Grand Prix. Lets say Diego Sanchez is LW champion and we were discussing about having other champions in the gp. Then even though he is LW champ would you allow him to fight as a MW? Doesnt make sense... when you are champ you are fighting for the weight class where your belt is. Open Weight is not a weight class. SuperFight is not a weight class. It is its own, unique belt, with its own, unique conditions for defence and challenge. While I more clearly see what you are talking about now with the weight class thing, the other weight classes are moot. They will never be eligible for GP, because of the tournament format we have. You earn those title shots. That is why they have more prestige than the SuperFight belt. But that is also why I'm trying to allow the SuperFight belt into the GP. To increase its value some, and keep things exciting. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Mar 30, 2017 11:16:12 GMT -5
Im saying champions should be restricted more than a regular fighter. And if you dont agree than we can just not have any champions in the gp. Lets be fair. No champions in the gp.
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Mar 30, 2017 11:19:32 GMT -5
Im saying champions should be restricted more than a regular fighter. And if you dont agree than we can just not have any champions in the gp. Lets be fair. No champions in the gp. So you went from yes but now that you don't get your way you go to a no? Doesn't make sense. Can't just be your way or the highway. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Mar 30, 2017 11:21:18 GMT -5
Im saying champions should be restricted more than a regular fighter. And if you dont agree than we can just not have any champions in the gp. Lets be fair. No champions in the gp. So you went from yes but now that you don't get your way you go to a no? Doesn't make sense. Can't just be your way or the highway. I was never a full yes. I was a yes as long as certain conditions are met. Otherwise no. |
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Mar 30, 2017 11:23:16 GMT -5
I think you just don't like the mind games that would be involved without knowing if the SF would fight in OW or HW haha.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Mar 30, 2017 11:38:54 GMT -5
To be fair, there's a difference between "playing mind games" and actively not understanding anything you're arguing about.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Mar 30, 2017 13:35:49 GMT -5
I know what im argueing about but as usual... nobody seems to agree to my logic. And its not about mind games... its about being fair. I dont think its fair to have a champion in the gp when rules clearly state no champions.
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 30, 2017 14:01:38 GMT -5
I know what im argueing about but as usual... nobody seems to agree to my logic. And its not about mind games... its about being fair. I dont think its fair to have a champion in the gp when rules clearly state no champions. That is what discussions are about...changing rules to make things more fun. Also, I think it's important to differentiate between champions. SuperFight champion is not the same as a HW champion, for example. It's a challenge-belt, where anyone, on any streak, of any rank, can have a chance to fight for it. Regular championships are, in theory, ACTUAL champions, who are legit as hell, since they have done the tournament route, and beaten the champ. A SF champ could literally have 1 win all season, and still have the belt. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Mar 30, 2017 18:02:15 GMT -5
I mean, the sheer fact alone that people will challenge with fighter A, lose, next day tweak the fighter, post challenge and possibly be next in line lol
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Mar 30, 2017 23:48:23 GMT -5
I feel like you guys are deaf. You have your own thoughts about how it should be and you dont listen or understand what other opinions are. Obviously im out numbered so do what you want. Cause no matter what i say you will do what you want anyways. I believe a champion is a champion.. and even though a sf champion is slightly different i still believe that a champion should represent his class. And we have rules about champions not being in the gp. I say keep it so champs are out. I started this conversation trying to be fair by finding a middle ground but that didnt work for you... so i took a step back and said no. You dont want to listen and i hate argueing so ill stop. Do what you want.
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