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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Jul 5, 2013 0:35:50 GMT -5
actually I didn't mess up her build I made her a ground game fighter with subs and GnP so lost to cyborhg twice being on top getting koed from bottom which is bs , beat carano once by g'np as submission weren't as effective until then and loss to carano in a stand up fight, she also beat kaufman on the ground gnp and lost to her as she couldn't get the takedown, so here the thing build a stand up fighter instad of a ground fighter as takedown d trump the takedowns wish there was a way to fix that as well like submissions |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 5, 2013 0:36:52 GMT -5
K, well while you are reading shit from many hours ago, the rest of us are living in the now, so when you get here, let us know, slowpoke. I have a job and other things to do... I wasn't fucking here the whole time. This is the first I've seen these and I'm catching up now. So kiss my ass, asshole.. STFU NEXT! :  |
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Post by Kruze the Booze on Jul 5, 2013 0:38:16 GMT -5
Kiss my ass!
Literally! I WANT YOUR HOT LIPS ON MY ASS RIGHT NOW!
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 5, 2013 0:39:08 GMT -5
So...it takes you several hours to catch up, and your FIRST priority is to ignore Ferocity, then start yelling and calling people names until THEY point out that you ignored a legit question, THEN you go back to her. Makes sense. Can we all stay on topic here? Topic: Can we trust people to just start upgrading their women? Or how can we encourage them to do it on thier own. I get many don;t like giving away free points, and others don;t wanna arbitrarily cap the top fighters. So what is a better solution if xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club's suggestions are not working for you? |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Jul 5, 2013 0:39:20 GMT -5
I dunno phx the only ppl that benefit from tthis whole giving free pointsis you with your 6 neglected female fighters as most ppl only average3 and if they did upgrade the 3 that they had instead of hoarding 7 fighter there would really be no problem at all
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Post by Kruze the Booze on Jul 5, 2013 0:40:23 GMT -5
HEY! Fuck you Cannon, This is MY site!
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 5, 2013 0:40:41 GMT -5
No one gets raped with 5-10 points and doesn't undermine anything. If 5-10 points are inconsequential, why bother? 10 points aren't inconsequential. And that would give enough of a gap closer and footing for teams to build on instead of having to go the Cannon route and focus on 1 fighter when they don't accumulate points as fast or in the quantity you or I do. LOL And this "Kruze the Booze" is hilarious. I wish I could actually have a beer right now, but I gotta go back to work here soon. Guess he's drinking for me... hahaha... |
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Post by Kruze the Booze on Jul 5, 2013 0:44:16 GMT -5
GUYS I WORK!
GUYS I WORK!
GUYS I HAVE TO GO BACK TO WORK CAUSE I HAVE A JOB
I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS A JOB!
JUSTIN I WORK!
I'M AN ACTOR LOLOLOLOL
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 5, 2013 0:46:18 GMT -5
Again, ignoring the trolls, and JUST sticking to topic - 10 points, or even 5, can take some teams a long time to acquire. I think giving them out is a weak way to reward the teams that neglected their fighters.
And again, Ramrod creates an awkward situation, because he used to be active enough to develop fighters so he DID have the posts to create a monster in Cyborg - but he has since been less active. SO for him to get 5 points now takes A LOT longer than it used to. So depriving him of that 5 point advantage is very unfair when he earned it in the past. He EARNED the advantage he has now.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 5, 2013 1:01:12 GMT -5
I dunno phx the only ppl that benefit from tthis whole giving free pointsis you with your 6 neglected female fighters as most ppl only average3 and if they did upgrade the 3 that they had instead of hoarding 7 fighter there would really be no problem at all First of all, I don't neglect my fighters Cannon; every single one has received points now even if it's been 2 or 3. And to be quite honest, after what you did and just piled all you points into Rousey for 2 seasons, you're the LAST person who should be talking to me about neglecting my fighter. Davis likely wouldn't get points, she's gotten 18 points already and the cut off would likely be 15. Kedzie's just under that at 14. You keep touching on how I'm "hoarding" fighters, but with the tournament system now in place, it negates your argument that any of my fighters take up a card spot of anyone's fighters because all fighters earns their spot now. It's 100% fair bro, and no reason why I can't have the number of fighters I do. Have you even noticed that I've only had 2 of my allegedly shitty fighters on the danger list thus far? Eye saved herself and Brown probably would have anyways, but I gave him a boost cuz I like the guy. Fact is that none of my fighters lose consistently enough to be in any huge danger. Are they all "big names"? no. But they're not all crap either, or my whole team would be on that danger list.  lol So, do I neglect my fighters? I think not my friend. I wanna see guys like Rebel Storm to get excited about the women's division cuz Honchak would be awesome with just a few upgrades, let alone putting what we have into Rousey and D'Alelio. I've had to binge upgrade both Davis and D'Alelio to get them to even where they are just so I can expediate their progress while still upping my other fighters. It hasn't been easy. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jul 5, 2013 2:15:55 GMT -5
the thing i've noticed is that some people a mass more upgrade points then others.. if someone who has alot of points keeps upgrading their person.. (man or woman)the person who doesn't have as many points will not be able to catch up. This is more evident in the women's division. for example.. If I upgrade liz Caramouche with 5 points what does that really do for me against cyborg or rousey who have many more upgrades then 5. it does nothing thus those 5 points i put into liz are useless and it's wasted my points that i've worked hard to get. however if i put my points into a division where the point spread is less.. then my 5 points can make a bigger impact. I don't know if thats just me or if that is how other people see it too.. i dunno... but I do know that most people want the biggest bang for their buck.. maybe an incentive is in order .. perhaps a 2 for 1 deal...
1) The top 5 women if they want to upgrade need either 2 points to go up 1 upgrade for a limited time or..
2) Women who are not in the top 5 get 2 upgrades when they spend 1 point... for a limited time. (i like this one more)
The gap between amazing fighters and crappy fighters is too great in the women's division. It discourages people from putting points into their women fighters. Something should be done.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 5, 2013 3:12:54 GMT -5
however if i put my points into a division where the point spread is less.. then my 5 points can make a bigger impact. This could not be more wrong. Say you draft the worst-rated woman in the women's division (31st overall) at raw build on draft day. Upgrade her with 3 points, already, she is probably ranked about 25th. Add 3 more, she is probably 12th. Add another 3, she is top 10 (which changes almost every fight card). This actually brings up a new, more important point for me. In the end, we are talking about how hard it is to win a belt. That should be REALLY FUCKING HARD. It's a title! A belt! It means you are the best! As soon as we put any restrictions on that, it undermines the value of the belt itself. When Carano lost the first time, it was a HUGE win for Cyborg. When Kaufman FINALLY won a title fight, it was HUGE. You put any restrictions on them, o "level the playing field", giving someone else an easier road to the belt, and half the league will be like, "yeah, they won the belt, but the best fighters were all capped so it doesn't really mean anything". It's like requesting an asterisk be placed by all future champs. Their wins will happen, sure, but they will hold a lot less meaning. In light of this new realization, I am actually against all modification. I don't want to diminish all future champions. I want them, like everyone else on this site to this date, to have earned their belt. A belt is not a joint - it's not "there to be passed around". It's a belt. It means you are the best of the fucking best. It means you built a winner. BUILT a winner. Not that you were handed 5-10 points to "level the playing field because the champ was too good". Look at Anderson. UFC champ for a decade. No one is saying there should be special rules brought in so he can share the belt. I get this is different and it should be fun, but what fun is winning a belt if it's actually winning a "belt"? |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jul 5, 2013 4:57:02 GMT -5
ok i will start a new division.. and it will only have one person in the division who is any good and all the meaningless fighters will all be capped. Is that fair? NO!! that is how people feel about your women's division.. we can't get anywhere because the top dogs too easily manhandle the lower ranked... In light of your comments I am against all further attempts at trying to let you see enlightenment when it comes to showing you where the faults and problems of this site are. In real life yes it is hard to win a belt because you have to be the best but the belts also change hands to more than just 2-3 people. Either from an upset or a shocker.. these don't exist in the women's division when it comes to fighting the top girls.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 5, 2013 6:02:04 GMT -5
I get this is different and it should be fun You said it all right there and washed out any point you were trying to make. You're right, this IS different; WAY different. So I really don't give 2 shits and a popcorn fart if Anderson's held the belt for 80 years... This isn't the UFC. It's supposed to be fun, for EVERYONE. Fun is seeing you fighters actually progress... fun is seeing the win the title. That's the whole point isn't it? What you're displaying here is the exact same type of mentality that you were fighting against over at EA where all the top teams are at the top, the bottom teams are at the bottom and there's diversity and no compromise. We want to see our fighters actually progress and win. We've seen it numerous times over in the men's divisions, but not in the women's for well over 4 seasons now. If we keep going at the rate we are, no one will be able to catch up unless they do exactly what Cannon did and neglect their whole team and dump 30 points into one fighter, on the off chance that they might have a shot. How many folks do you suppose are going to do that, other than maybe me? Meanwhile, all those top fighters are all getting upgraded even more as well, and 30 points turns into 35, then 40, etc. No one in the bottom end of point production and accumulation spectrum will be able to catch up, not even close. Hence why I'm suggesting this now, before it gets too far gone. It's simple math & logic Sandman. You're too worried about how it affects 4 fighters and not enough on how it's going to affect the league down the road when we're still sitting in the same place another 8 seasons from now. |
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Post by Kruze the Booze on Jul 5, 2013 10:20:17 GMT -5
NO ONE HAS PUTS THEIR HOT SMOOTH LIPS ON MY ASS!
WHAT THE FUCK
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x8 
lol So, do I neglect my fighters? I think not my friend. 
