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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jan 8, 2014 5:17:41 GMT -5
A new rule needs to be made in order to prevent title matches from being a 2 second cut stoppage.. if it's a KO or submission.. fine.. but Cut stoppage in 30 seconds of a fight is just not acceptable and should be rematched. As far as the particulars i'll leave it up to you to discuss but a rule should and must be made cause this is complete garbage that no rule exists about this.. (i am not talking about any fights in particular in this thread and I hope you don't either)(we are only talking rules)
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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Jan 8, 2014 16:49:20 GMT -5
what rule???
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 9, 2014 1:50:23 GMT -5
Are these getting buried, or does the rest of the league really just not give a damn about cut stoppages? This has been up for 20 hours, and no one has discussed a thing. I'll throw out some possible solutions. 1) Allow fighters to upgrade their cut resistance. You can only do this once in the simulator (it's basically a "poor/average/good" switch - everyone is at average I believe), so it would be very expensive. Also, I hate this because it takes that element of chance out of a fight (Great example, when Anderson lost to Evans via a cut. Big upset, huge win for Evans, derailing Anderson's epic winning streak at the time - probably would not have happened if his cut resistance was upgraded). 2) Rematches at leagues discretion (no one said anything about the last cut stoppage, and few said anything about the previous one, so we might not have the participation for this option to work. I donno guys, you tell me 3) Rematches at The Sandmen's discretion (when booking/fight card slots are available, etc). I also think the champion's team should always have the option to NOT accept the rematch, simply because they sign on to fight every 4 events. That is fairly consistent and a lot for fighters here, so asking them to risk injury and fight more should be up to their teams. Thoughts on that? |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jan 9, 2014 4:12:51 GMT -5
ok here is my suggestion.
If a cut stoppage happens within the first 30 seconds of a fight then a rematch is granted automatically. BUT if a cut stoppage happens after 30 seconds but still under a minute then it is up to the challenger and the champion to discuss and decide if they want to do a rematch. (this would give the champions team the option to say no to a challenge but only after the first 30 seconds of a fight).
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 9, 2014 14:40:51 GMT -5
I am still torn on this. I want to make sure enough people actually think there is a problem before changing anything.
My philosophy is this: If you don't want your people to get cut, upgrade their dodging or some other form of defence, and don't let them get hit. A cut is a lack of defence. A bit of a crap shoot, sure, but it's still a lack of defence, so automatic rematches bug me in principle. Also, with the difference between a rematch and not a rematch being 30 seconds vs. 31 seconds, it seems kind of lame to have such a strict rule.
Also, would the rule extend to TKOs (we have had "controversial" TKO stoppages before) or KO via "Unknown"? or submissions where the guy didn't tap but the ref stopped it?
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jan 10, 2014 5:25:24 GMT -5
any rematches that happen should be from TITLE MATCHES.. and 30 seconds is too short for a cut that would end a fight. I think KO's, tko's, ref stoppages are fine. Cuts that are bad enough to stop fights usually occur from a barage of punches, elbows, kicks, whatever but doesn't happen within the first 30 seconds of a fight. Cuts needs to be bad in order for a doctor to stop the fight.. I've seen some pretty bad cuts before in fights and the fights were not stopped. BUT as far as the suimulator goes it doesn't have that sense of reality, we have to give it that. If you want to know if enough people feel its a problem thyen put it up for a poll. but make it clear that this problem has nothing to do with kruzerexcept that it was brought to light from that last sarah fight. We (the site)want to move forward, we want to make it so we don't have to argue this out forever. Let's make a rule and then we don't have to argue it out.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 11, 2014 1:09:29 GMT -5
But there are lots of examples of cuts stopping fights within the first 30 seconds. It's a part of MMA, so pretending they don't happen is silly. That being said, if the MAJORITY want a rematch clause, I am open to it. But i really think it will cause more headaches than it's worth. We've had 200+ ManMMA events, and this is the first time it's ever come up. Cannon et al will be screaming rematch any time there is a cut stoppage involving thier fighter, and this clause gets to be a migraine rule.
But again, I wanna hear from people. PEOPLE! POST!
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Post by Ferocity on Jan 11, 2014 9:42:46 GMT -5
I think with the caveat that it only apply to TITLE MATCHES and only under 30 SECONDS, that a rematch rule or policy really would be acceptable and probably good for the league as it is something at that point that we all want to see.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jan 11, 2014 10:59:00 GMT -5
thank you ferocity... anyone else wanna state your opinion?
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jan 14, 2014 4:29:11 GMT -5
This is exactly what I said should be instituted and that I was going to institute. I have absolutely no problem with this at all, obviously. And yes, only title fights. Thing is that I'm sure this is a rare occurrence like the draws are, but something to protect our fighters in title fights when they reach that level, but it would also protect the champions from losing their title in that type of dubious manner as well. I agree with Ferocity & xx - Team GAP here. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jan 14, 2014 4:32:11 GMT -5
thats 3 for all you kids counting back at home.. anymore cool cats wanna chime in?
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 14, 2014 17:03:49 GMT -5
We're cool with 20 second cuts in #1 contender fights then?
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jan 14, 2014 21:04:24 GMT -5
We're cool with 20 second cuts in #1 contender fights then? Is it a title fight?  We're talking specifically about title fights. Period. I realize you're "torn" on this, and you don't want this to happen but the fact is that you have the cut resistance set pretty low for most of the fighters (you've said so to me before) and loading points into the defensive skills is only a small part what the problem is cuz I'm fairly certain that if the cut resistance is an individual fighter stat and not just a slider up or down for the entire simulator, that you're not going to go through every fighter bumping up the cut resistance on all our fighters. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 14, 2014 23:39:45 GMT -5
the fact is that you have the cut resistance set pretty low for most of the fighters (you've said so to me before) Every single fighter, without exception, is set to "Average" (For fighters, they go "Poor, Average, Good"). The simulator itself has a cut frequency setting. This is a slider, and is set very low. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jan 15, 2014 2:45:34 GMT -5
we were only talking about title matches.
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We're talking specifically about title fights. Period. I realize you're "torn" on this, and you don't want this to happen but the fact is that you have the cut resistance set pretty low for most of the fighters (you've said so to me before) and loading points into the defensive skills is only a small part what the problem is cuz I'm fairly certain that if the cut resistance is an individual fighter stat and not just a slider up or down for the entire simulator, that you're not going to go through every fighter bumping up the cut resistance on all our fighters.
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