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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on May 28, 2016 0:18:42 GMT -5
Just so I can show how big of a dumbass you can be.
"When McDavid was in the line up, they were one of the best teams in the league."
With McDavid
17-28 0.607
Without McDavid
14-23 0.608
The Oilers had a better record, even though by 0.001, without McDavid than with McDavid. So when McDavid was in the line up, they were NOT one of the best teams in the league. I know my stats bud, that's the one place you won't beat me. Ya I might be a little biased with the Leafs cause I'm a Leaf fan but at least I can say I know my team's shit. So before you try saying "We were bad because McDavid was injured for MOST of the season" I'm gonna say this. 1) McDavid played 45 games so he played for more than half the season and 2) YOU DID BETTER WITHOUT HIM IN THE LINEUP. For Marincin, you are wrong...again. He was on for the least amount of goals against out of all the Leafs D-Man despite playing on the top pair with Rielly. Learn your facts before you talk to me because believe me when I say that I will catch your lies and prove it to you with facts, you don't believe me then Google everything, you'll find your answers there. Now that I've proved you wrong I'm going to bed.
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on May 28, 2016 0:19:59 GMT -5
Stamkos and yandle to Winnipeg would be neat... won't happen... but would be neat Laine-Stamkos-Wheeler Yandle-Byfuglien I would not want to face that lol |
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Post by The Rocketmen on May 28, 2016 9:25:14 GMT -5
I am absolutely loving this debate. No calling people fuck-hats or whatever, just straight up stats and depth discussions over two teams that two people are passionate about. Very cool.
So, assuming both teams have exactly who they have right now, and they select the player primed for the spot in the draft for their pick, where do you guys believe your teams will be next year?
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on May 28, 2016 9:33:13 GMT -5
I believe the Leafs will still be in a rebuild. While Matthews is a franchise centre he will not be a star just yet. I think he'll have a 50-60 point season (as long as he's healthy) but in 2-3 years I believe the Leafs will be ready to start competing and going for the cup. Matthews = Toews Marner = Kane. We're following the Hawks footsteps so it's looking good for us.
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Post by xx - The Underdog Regime on May 29, 2016 1:29:06 GMT -5
I am absolutely loving this debate. No calling people fuck-hats or whatever, just straight up stats and depth discussions over two teams that two people are passionate about. Very cool. So, assuming both teams have exactly who they have right now, and they select the player primed for the spot in the draft for their pick, where do you guys believe your teams will be next year? Mike, your team is poopy, you fuck-hat. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on May 29, 2016 14:14:44 GMT -5
I believe the Leafs will still be in a rebuild. Perpetual rebuild for another 50 years  |
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on May 29, 2016 16:20:14 GMT -5
I believe the Leafs will still be in a rebuild. Perpetual rebuild for another 50 years The fact that you haven't responded to the comment that I proved you wrong already shows that you lost. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on May 31, 2016 12:41:30 GMT -5
Perpetual rebuild for another 50 years The fact that you haven't responded to the comment that I proved you wrong already shows that you lost. LMAO Actually the fact that you're still going on about your delusions of grandeur and need validation for it just proves me more right. Besides, why would I respond to my own comment?  That's seems kind of pointless. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on May 31, 2016 13:21:52 GMT -5
I'm expecting and hoping that the Leafs continue to stock-pile their prospects. I wouldn't be shocked to see them trade down from Pens pick for an additional 2nd or early 3rd, and wouldn't be surprised if they did the same thing for their own pick in the second round, and then used additionally acquired third round picks to pay off the acquisition of Babcock (third round obligation to Detroit) and Lamoriello (third round obligation to New Jersey).
Excited for the draft though, and to see what ends up being the conclusion to the Stamkos saga.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on May 31, 2016 13:37:06 GMT -5
I'm expecting and hoping that the Leafs continue to stock-pile their prospects. I wouldn't be shocked to see them trade down from Pens pick for an additional 2nd or early 3rd, and wouldn't be surprised if they did the same thing for their own pick in the second round, and then used additionally acquired third round picks to pay off the acquisition of Babcock (third round obligation to Detroit) and Lamoriello (third round obligation to New Jersey). Excited for the draft though, and to see what ends up being the conclusion to the Stamkos saga. The problem with the Leafs, much like the Oilers to a certain extent, is they don't have 3-4 "character leaders" on the roster (ie. a Datsyuk, a Zetterberg, a Lidstrom, a Thornton, a Marleau, a Pavelski, etc.) that Babcock or McClellan had in Detroit or San Jose. The Oilers atleast have McDavid, plus Nuge & Eberle (to an extent), but the Leafs really don't have even one really right now. Even Reilly's not at that point yet for the Leafs. It's actually a bigger factor than most folks realize. When there's no direction in the leadership group, that's when you see things like what's happened in Edmonton and in Toronto, happening IMO. They're getting there, but it's really why there's been lack of success in either organization. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on May 31, 2016 13:56:20 GMT -5
I would say at this point that the Oilers have McDavid and Hall and that's about it. Hopefully they get get another good piece this year, but damn, you guys just need to shuffle that fucking team up yesterday.
As for the Leafs, I agree, the only real leader they have on that team, IMO, is Komarov. I'm hoping there's going to be some more solid changes as they continue to trend into the right direction with guys like Matthews and whatnot, and that's why Stamkos is a must. He is exactly the type of character leader you need in that room to groom Matthews and co. It's coming.
But going back to the Datsyuks and Zetterbergs, people seem to forget that those guys had Yzerman and Shanahan and Hull and Lidstrom leading them forward. Now, those guys are old or retired.
Toronto will eventually find their leadership, but I seriously doubt they'll need guys in their 30s to provide it.
I also would no longer group Toronto and Edmonton together. It's nice that you guys got Peter Chiarelli, but this off-season he needs to put a thumb print on that team, because your core is just a pile of high potential-low production players, and I think it stems from the net out to the D.
I mean, let's really break down the two here:
Number 1 C
Matthews - McDavid - one is better than the other, obviously, but both teams have a legitimate number one C now (who will continue to develop in that role)
Top line LW:
van Riemsdyk - Hall - solid
Top line RW:
TBD (could be Nylander, Marner, Soshnikov) - Eberle? - Eberle is older and thus more established at this point but the jury is out.
Number 1 D:
Possibly Rielly - ?? Anyone? Oilers need D badly.
Number 1 G:
None - None
Both teams have horrible holes in net.
Building through the draft has absolutely fucked Edmonton because of poor selections. And the jury is out if the same will happen to Toronto, but based on direction and potential, Toronto is ahead of the game.
But I am very excited to see what Chiarelli might finally do to really push the Oilers forward into a new era, otherwise they could rinse-lather-repeat dying, drafting high, failing on pick selections until the day McDavid retires.
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Post by The Rocketmen on May 31, 2016 13:57:05 GMT -5
So now that you read or glanced over all of that, what do you think is Edmonton's top priority? Or who are you hoping is their target this summer? What hole would you fill first? Etc.
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on May 31, 2016 13:59:28 GMT -5
Do you not realize that Matthews is coming to Toronto? There's your "McDavid". Rielly is a leader and clearly you don't know anything about the Leafs if you think otherwise. Komarov is another (he is extremely underatted). Just because they may not but a superstar doesn't mean they're not leaders. Look at Brown in LA. He's a top 6 possibly top 9 forward but he's the king of LA in a sense.
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Post by The Rocketmen on May 31, 2016 14:05:17 GMT -5
And he just had his C stripped off him for all of his leadership. But I do agree, Rielly will get there, I'm sure of that. But I think what people forget when it comes to leadership is that some guys just have it and others don't. It's not a matter of going out and getting someone with leadership, someone will just naturally have that quality, regardless of age, and they will be "that guy" in the room. Leadership on the ice through point - Phil Kessel anyone? Not exactly a leader, just a goal-scorer doing his job.
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on May 31, 2016 14:12:13 GMT -5
If you watch Rielly during the games he's always communicating on the ice and while sitting on the bench. Like when Marincin was his partner he was telling him where to be at certain times. Rielly in a 2-3 seasons I'll say will have an "A" on his jersey while Matthews or Stamkos (if he comes) will have the "C".
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That's seems kind of pointless. 
Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!