CM Punk

[xx - Camp Cannon]

Sept 12, 2016 8:22:43 GMT -5 The Sandmen said:

Haha I meant what fighter.

om not going to mention name here as the dick phx will draft it

[The Rocketmen]

CM Punk is a joke. Otherwise we'd have James Toney on this site tooo...

[The Sandmen]

Sept 12, 2016 20:49:06 GMT -5 The Rocketmen said:

CM Punk is a joke. Otherwise we'd have James Toney on this site tooo...

Yes, And even THEN, James Toney at least as actual combat sports experience. Punk had NONE. Not a single fight. James Toney had 86. And for you Americans here, 86 is a higher number than 0.

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

I think you're thinking too far ahead The Sandmen... and you're far too worried about your own personal pride for the site than whether guys like Punk & Del Rio should be here or not. So, Punk lost his UFC debut... Big fucking deal... So did Lesnar. If folks want to have a certain guy on they're team, and he's actually an MMA fighter, good or bad, they should be allowed to have them. Period. It doesn't really matter what you think of the fighters on their team.

[The Sandmen]

Sept 12, 2016 20:59:32 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

I think you're thinking too far ahead The Sandmen... and you're far too worried about your own personal pride for the site than whether guys like Punk & Del Rio should be here or not. So, Punk lost his UFC debut... Big fucking deal... So did Lesnar. If folks want to have a certain guy on they're team, and he's actually an MMA fighter, good or bad, they should be allowed to have them. Period. It doesn't really matter what you think of the fighters on their team.

1) I'm not thinking too far ahead - by our current rules, Punk is eligible for THIS upcoming draft.

2) Brock and Punk are in no way comparable. You aren't new, you know this.

3) Looking at things practically, functionally, how do you suggest I even create CM Punk in the program? A guy who showed literally nothing? I have no wrestling or judo or ju-jitzu background to build him on. Should I just make him 0 in all skills? That is what he showed us in his one fight where he did nothing.

4) It's funny hearing you say this, because when your guys lose to projects, you are the first to bitch about how much it's "bullshit" and "there is no way ___ should be beating ___".

5) You might be the first person I have heard call CM Punk "an MMA fighter", lol.

6) My pride in the site matters. As I said, if the site turns stupid, and I think it's stupid...it's probably going to die. Just like if I introduced a rule people found site-breaking, they would quit. Just because I sim doesn't mean the site is unbreakable to me. Just because I sim doesn't mean there aren't things that could make me lose enough interest in the site to call 'er a day, just like anyone else.

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Sept 12, 2016 21:04:55 GMT -5 The Sandmen said:

Sept 12, 2016 20:59:32 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

I think you're thinking too far ahead The Sandmen... and you're far too worried about your own personal pride for the site than whether guys like Punk & Del Rio should be here or not. So, Punk lost his UFC debut... Big fucking deal... So did Lesnar. If folks want to have a certain guy on they're team, and he's actually an MMA fighter, good or bad, they should be allowed to have them. Period. It doesn't really matter what you think of the fighters on their team.

1) I'm not thinking too far ahead - by our current rules, Punk is eligible for THIS upcoming draft.
2) Brock and Punk are in no way comparable. You aren't new, you know this.
3) Looking at things practically, functionally, how do you suggest I even create CM Punk in the program? A guy who showed literally nothing? I have no wrestling or judo or ju-jitzu background to build him on. Should I just make him 0 in all skills? That is what he showed us in his one fight where he did nothing.
4) It's funny hearing you say this, because when your guys lose to projects, you are the first to bitch about how much it's "bullshit" and "there is no way ___ should be beating ___".
5) You might be the first person I have heard call CM Punk "an MMA fighter", lol.

1) You're still thinking too far ahead.
2) As fighters they're not comparable... Punk's had one fight ever... The only comparison that can be made is that Lesnar also lost his UFC debut as well.
3) If you make him in your own bias fashion, as you always do, then of course he's going to be that way. He has skills, you're just basing your perception on one fight, not the skills he actually possesses.
4) It's really not that funny at all when you, yourself, think/believe that 90% of my roster are fucking projects in and of themselves, and when I pick a good fighter, you do you damnedest to make sure I lose them... which has happened numerous times now... but you take a guy like Rumble, and he's just immediately awesome. So, no... what's bullshit here is you trying to micro-manage shit like this cuz of your own foolishness and pride, and not for any other reason.

[The Sandmen]

The rest of what you said is laughable bullshit, which will just result in the typical merry-go-round of bickering, so we'll just address #3 here on account of its the only route we have for being productive in furthering this discussion:

#3) How would YOU create CM Punk then? WOuld you base your creation of him on what you saw in his training camp? Would you base it on what his coaches say he is good at? What overall would you make CM Punk (as I said, keeping in mind the average ManMMA fighter comes in between 72 and 75). This is the part where you tell me how to make CM Punk, since I have absolutely no idea how to make someone based on their proven talent when the only talent Punk showed in his 1 fight was his ability to do get suckered by a painfully obvious fake, get taken down like a bitch, then beaten to a pulp while demonsteating absolutely no basic MMA knowledge in the process. So, yeah, give me detailed stats, like you do when you send me fighter builds, and lets see how you think CM Punk should be made when he enters ManMMA.

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Sept 12, 2016 21:30:13 GMT -5 The Sandmen said:

The rest of what you said is laughable bullshit, which will just result in the typical merry-go-round of bickering, so we'll just address #3 here on account of its the only route we have for being productive in furthering this discussion:

#3) How would YOU create CM Punk then? WOuld you base your creation of him on what you saw in his training camp? Would you base it on what his coaches say he is good at? What overall would you make CM Punk (as I said, keeping in mind the average ManMMA fighter comes in between 72 and 75). This is the part where you tell me how to make CM Punk, since I have absolutely no idea how to make someone based on their proven talent when the only talent Punk showed in his 1 fight was his ability to do get suckered by a painfully obvious fake, get taken down like a bitch, then beaten to a pulp while demonsteating absolutely no basic MMA knowledge in the process. So, yeah, give me detailed stats, like you do when you send me fighter builds, and lets see how you think CM Punk should be made when he enters ManMMA.

This entire thread is bullshit since the guy's only had one fight... and you know damn well he's going to have another one.

As for creating Punk, you create him at the ManMMA minimum, of course, but you give him good wrestling & grappling skills to start off with because that is what he's good at. He's a wrestler. Will he be a project for someone if they take him? ...Absolutely he will be. But YOUR assessment of who should be here and who shouldn't be, is the bullshit part. Rodriguez getting perma-banned was BS... He was actually a decent MMA fighter when he fought; he wasn't great, mind you... but he was decent. But Justin... who are you, really, to decide who's "good enough to be here" or not? You're just an armchair GM/fan like the rest of us... you're no MMA guru. lol

[The Texas Rattlesnakes]

I think Punk should just be made and make him just ok..... Do it like UFC 2 did it. Make him the worst fighter on the site.... but not by a lot.

[The Texas Rattlesnakes]

How are you gonna make Mickey Gall?

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Sept 12, 2016 21:56:18 GMT -5 The Texas Rattlesnakes said:

How are you gonna make Mickey Gall?

Better than Punk

[The Texas Rattlesnakes]

Sept 12, 2016 22:01:38 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

Sept 12, 2016 21:56:18 GMT -5 The Texas Rattlesnakes said:

How are you gonna make Mickey Gall?

Better than Punk

I want to be pissed at you for saying that..... but it was hilarious haha

[xx - Former Bulldozers]

If you just entered punk with an overall of 0 I'd be willing to take him on and build him into something special.

[The Texas Rattlesnakes]

Me too

[The Sandmen]

Sept 12, 2016 21:51:32 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

As for creating Punk, you create him at the ManMMA minimum, of course, but you give him good wrestling & grappling skills to start off with because that is what he's good at. He's a wrestler.

Based on what?
1) My mimimums are based on the absolute minimum level of skill I think a professional MMA fighter needs to have in order to compete in MMA. Punk showed less than that. For Punk, he would have a lower base level, since guys like Sage Northcutt would be closer to the "create him at the ManMMA minimum", and Punk is not even close to the same level as Sage.

2) What makes you think he is a good wrestler? WWE is not combat wrestling - it's performance art. Does that mean we should bring Sylvester Stallone into the league and make him a maxed out boxer? Come on now...

Sept 12, 2016 21:51:32 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

But Justin... who are you, really, to decide who's "good enough to be here" or not? You're just an armchair GM/fan like the rest of us... you're no MMA guru. lol

Wrong. I'm the guy who came up with the concept. I'm EXACTLY the guy to decide who is good enough to be here and who isn't. Sometimes, though, like now, I like hearing what people have to say before making a final decision. Overall, as you know, this site is not, nor has it ever been, about WWE guys. The site is about MMA legends. Punk is not an MMA legend.