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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Dec 16, 2015 21:17:07 GMT -5
what are you suggesting anyways phx rl champ get the boost or manmma champ cus with a 1 overall difference anyone can become manmma champ and get the 1 overall.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 16, 2015 21:28:51 GMT -5
what are you suggesting anyways phx rl champ get the boost or manmma champ cus with a 1 overall difference anyone can become manmma champ and get the 1 overall. Neither. lol That's Sandman's word judo playing tricks on you as it would seem that he's trying to do.  I'm not for any champions RL or ManMMA getting any cap increase unless all the women get a cap increase. For me it should be one of: 1) The overall women's cap increases to 79 and RL Champions increases to 80. OR 2) The women's cap stays where it is until we see an actual need to adjust it, whereby the rest of the league has in fact caught up to the likes of the RL champions, which also happen to be the majority of already capped fighters. We don't see that parity happening right now. |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Dec 16, 2015 22:30:13 GMT -5
so your 1) is basically the same as sandmens what the point in going up just one overall like it'll matter and chammpions going up two whats the diff than 78 - 79 ?
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Post by The Rocketmen on Dec 16, 2015 23:07:51 GMT -5
Yes, after 50 essays, me and Cannon both misunderstood what Kruze was trying to say because of Sandman and his voodoo. Boogadie boogadie Boo!
But hey, let's not take on the aspect of "maybe Kruze is just really poor at communicating." It's definitely not that, never has been, never will be.
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Dec 17, 2015 1:09:05 GMT -5
well his original argument i thought was to add invicta champions to list of real life champs which i kind of supported now its up the cap 1 overall for maybe 1 or 2 maximum upgrades that wouldn't really matter anyways so I don't think he knows what hes arguing about at this point...
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 17, 2015 1:57:16 GMT -5
lol
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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Dec 17, 2015 3:14:36 GMT -5
...maybe this will help clarify the problem for you, since you can't understand the problem without some concrete information in front of you. The average female fighter here is 65. Our champions have been anywhere from 72 to 78. To take a female from average to contender takes about 28-35 ugprades. What you keep proposing would see the distance from that average woman to the cap go from about 52 (already a huge number) to 60. With our new point payout system, literally an extra month of upgrading. Just simply increasing everyone's cap across the board and ignoring the champions part would increase the distance the average fighter has to be upgraded to catch up to ALL 10 capped fighters by 4 points (2 weeks of exclusive upgrading). The suggestion, as pitched, would only affect 4 of those capped fighters (ALL of whom arehave been beaten by uncapped fighters just this season.) The impact of the original suggestion (Champions-only) has FAR less impact than increasing the cap of the whole league. this part makes the most sens of anything written hear and wins the thread. makes a lot of sense which we all said on page 1 ffs. no need for pages 2 to 7 we all ageed except phx on page 1 its good to go this icing on the cake now lock the thread and leave us alone ffs |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 17, 2015 4:09:20 GMT -5
well his original argument i thought was to add invicta champions to list of real life champs which i kind of supported now its up the cap 1 overall for maybe 1 or 2 maximum upgrades that wouldn't really matter anyways so I don't think he knows what hes arguing about at this point... There were several different things at play on this, and Invicta being included was/is one of them but Sandman THINKS it's a minor league/bush league. My stance on it being and increase for all the women if the champions are to be one higher has been the same throughout this entire thread. Either that or nothing at all because it's not fair to the rest of the league just yet to make the RL champions cap higher without giving the rest of the women an increase because, only the champions that are already capped are affected and they're already elite fighters, so no increase is needed at this point without giving all the rest of the women an increase as well. This isn't what the league needs right now... not until it's actually at a point where we're actually seeing more out of the women's division. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 17, 2015 4:10:39 GMT -5
...maybe this will help clarify the problem for you, since you can't understand the problem without some concrete information in front of you. The average female fighter here is 65. Our champions have been anywhere from 72 to 78. To take a female from average to contender takes about 28-35 ugprades. What you keep proposing would see the distance from that average woman to the cap go from about 52 (already a huge number) to 60. With our new point payout system, literally an extra month of upgrading. Just simply increasing everyone's cap across the board and ignoring the champions part would increase the distance the average fighter has to be upgraded to catch up to ALL 10 capped fighters by 4 points (2 weeks of exclusive upgrading). The suggestion, as pitched, would only affect 4 of those capped fighters (ALL of whom arehave been beaten by uncapped fighters just this season.) The impact of the original suggestion (Champions-only) has FAR less impact than increasing the cap of the whole league. this part makes the most sens of anything written hear and wins the thread. makes a lot of sense which we all said on page 1 ffs. no need for pages 2 to 7 we all ageed except phx on page 1 its good to go this icing on the cake now lock the thread and leave us alone ffs Go back to the Sandman's corral, sheep. lol You'll agree with anything Sandman tells you to agree with. I really couldn't care less what you think anymore man. If Sandman told you there was gourmet chocolate in the litter box, you'd believe him and probably eat it. None of what he said there made any sense because: 1) No one was talking about or even suggested not giving the champions an increase. He pulled that one out of thin air and said that it somehow made more sense to increase only the non-champion fighters all on his own. I don't know where he got that one from. 2) What he said there is all the more reason to leave as it is until we actually see the gap closing more between the lower end fighters and the elite ones. Simply increasing only the champions does nothing to help close that gap... in fact it extends it when you take into account that Esparza is the only one that's not capped and she's struggling to compete too at the moment. 3) It's why I suggested that we give the increase to the women's caps across the board and allow the lower tier fighter to go to 79 and the champions to 80. That way all women get to grow into there new caps, there's no playing favorites and it's fair to everyone as to who gets uncapped and who doesn't cuz all the women get uncapped and it doesn't spread the gap even further between the already capped fighters that will be uncapped that are already elite/dominant fighters. Plus we get the tiered structure, which seems a majority of people want. It just needs to be done in the right way, and Sandman's suggestion isn't it, unfortunately. All it does is lead to the same shit of the already elite fighters being uncapped that we've been trying to keep at a lower cap for many seasons so others could catch up. The suggestion as it is doesn't promote competition or fair play, it's just widens the gap from the lower tier fighters and all the time that we've had this current cap and trying to close that gap, will have been wasted and the same cycle will just continue to repeat itself. We all want to have fun here, not just know we're going to win or lose every single time unless it's a fluke. |
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Dec 17, 2015 8:41:43 GMT -5
stop
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 17, 2015 16:22:50 GMT -5
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Dec 17, 2015 16:34:54 GMT -5
if thats the last thing you write, i can accept that
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 17, 2015 16:36:50 GMT -5
if thats the last thing you write, i can accept that Nope, it's not. lol |
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Dec 17, 2015 18:28:06 GMT -5
that's too bad. almost did the world a favour.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 17, 2015 18:56:50 GMT -5
that's too bad. almost did the world a favour. You don't have to reply... and with the way you treat me, generally, I'm not gonna be doing you any favors anytime soon. lol |
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I'm not for any champions RL or ManMMA getting any cap increase unless all the women get a cap increase. 
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