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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Oct 6, 2016 9:34:04 GMT -5
What if the coaches are free but the upgrades cost points?
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Post by The Sandmen on Oct 6, 2016 9:37:37 GMT -5
Well, I still don't think they're needed at this point, even though I understand the realism behind having them etc., but yeah... That's a BETTER price point, but really, if you want it to actually be fair for everyone, the last option of giving the them out as a free pick is the best option, especially at this point in the season when teams are vying for the GP and their points would be better suited going into their actual fighters than saving points for a coach. It still discourages fighter upgrading to close out the season, as far as I'm concerned, and, because it's new, the focus is being put on the coaches now when the fighters are supposed to be the main attractions, not the coaches. But, if you're adamant about having a price point and tiered coaches, I'd say 5, 3, 1 would be the course I'd go there. The top coach would still be valuable, but you're not getting into the issue of having the coaches worth more than some A-ranked fighters as well. Okay. I'll consider the 7-1 point scale a valid compromise and use that in my write-up. I worked on it for about 4 hours last night, and I think in the grand scope of things, it makes a lot of practical sense. If people want a coach "right now", they can have one for a point (which is like free, since it will be at the draft...where they get 2 free points with picks if they choose anyway). It gives everyone the chance to save if they want the 7-point-coach(es), while not breaking the bank, as 12+ might do. I do have to address the "free coaches" thing though. "Free" is 100% not happening. Coaches give you something - they give you points. If I wanted to give out free points every season, we would just do that. Nothing stopped people from just declaring their coaching staff before now. We had nearly 5 years of "free" coaches. Now that we are considering introducing an actual point benefit to having them, it would be silly to give out points for free coaches. Giving people the option does exactly that - gives people options. (And the "pay back the points next season" option will be there as well, so teams gearing up for a Grand Prix run don't have to impact thier team any if they want a shot at the top coaches. I think this compromise works well. I hope others agree once all the details are posted and we can see the whole picture. |
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Oct 6, 2016 9:42:28 GMT -5
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Oct 6, 2016 9:42:28 GMT -5
What's the compromise here on your end here exactly?  You just re-iterated exactly what you said in your previous post. There was no compromise there at all. lol |
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Post by The Sandmen on Oct 6, 2016 9:49:04 GMT -5
What's the compromise here on your end here exactly? You just re-iterated exactly what you said in your previous post. There was no compromise there at all. lol Wrong. We compromised down to 7 points for the top coach, instead of the 12 I originally suggested, which was also a compromise for you from the 20 that someone else suggested. Double-compromise. All for you, my friend  |
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Oct 6, 2016 9:50:46 GMT -5
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Oct 6, 2016 9:50:46 GMT -5
What if the coaches are free but the upgrades cost points? @ The Sandmen: Now this would be what you call a compromise Justin... You give out the coaches for free at the draft then it's up to the team how highly skilled they want their coach, up to your 7 point level, after the fact. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Oct 6, 2016 9:55:00 GMT -5
1) Free coaches is 100% off the table. Non-negotiable. a) I'm not having people who don't know or care about coaches sweep up coaches that people who follow the sport would actually want. b) having coaches without point payouts is pointless. literally.
2) Upgrading coaches is not part of my upcoming suggestion, at this time. It might be in the future, but as of right now, it will not be part of the "intro package" I'm going to be detailing.
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Oct 6, 2016 10:08:49 GMT -5
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Oct 6, 2016 10:08:49 GMT -5
What's the compromise here on your end here exactly? You just re-iterated exactly what you said in your previous post. There was no compromise there at all. lol Wrong. We compromised down to 7 points for the top coach, instead of the 12 I originally suggested, which was also a compromise for you from the 20 that someone else suggested. Double-compromise. All for you, my friend That's not really a compromise at all though Justin since you put the 7 point idea on the table yourself, without any prompting or discussion. I find it hilarious how you twist things all the time to make it sound like you did something amazing, but really you're doing what you said you were going to do anyways. lol |
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Oct 6, 2016 10:16:13 GMT -5
Post by The Sandmen on Oct 6, 2016 10:16:13 GMT -5
That's not really a compromise at all though Justin since you put the 7 point idea on the table yourself, without any prompting or discussion. I find it hilarious how you twist things all the time to make it sound like you did something amazing, but really you're doing what you said you were going to do anyways. lol What'cha talkin' about here, Kruzy? We just had a 7-page discussion in this very thread about this whole thing. Every single post, on every single page has been considered, weighed, and, where possible, incorporated. I find it hilarious how you selectively ignore things that are inconvenient to you, then create (out of NO WHERE) your own, fabricated conclusion for the sole purpose of pointing fingers at me. |
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Oct 6, 2016 10:18:10 GMT -5
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Oct 6, 2016 10:18:10 GMT -5
1) Free coaches is 100% off the table. Non-negotiable. a) I'm not having people who don't know or care about coaches sweep up coaches that people who follow the sport would actually want. b) having coaches without point payouts is pointless. literally. 2) Upgrading coaches is not part of my upcoming suggestion, at this time. It might be in the future, but as of right now, it will not be part of the "intro package" I'm going to be detailing. 1) Technically they're not free though because you'd still have to put atleast one point into them to activate them. It still gives folks the option to have one or not, it just puts the onus on the team to do something with it or not. So, no... It's not pointless. 2) So what? What does that have to do with anything? You wanted more input and now all you're saying... "Nah, I'm not going to do that." to nearly everything. Why bother asking for more input if you don't want it? lol |
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Oct 6, 2016 10:21:25 GMT -5
Post by The Sandmen on Oct 6, 2016 10:21:25 GMT -5
I asked you about the 7 points scale. I did not ask you about upgrades, or free fighters. As far as I was concerned, since you said over and over again you were done with this discussion, this part of the discussion was over and I was writing up a new suggestion. You decided to throw some new things on the table at the last minute, after the "give me all your thoughts" phase was over (for now). And just because I ask for input doesn't mean I will take anything people throw out there. I have had a lot of suggestions I had to shoot down outright (including one that you would have loved that involved a keeper draft with 5 protects per team ). |
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Oct 6, 2016 10:22:24 GMT -5
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Oct 6, 2016 10:22:24 GMT -5
That's not really a compromise at all though Justin since you put the 7 point idea on the table yourself, without any prompting or discussion. I find it hilarious how you twist things all the time to make it sound like you did something amazing, but really you're doing what you said you were going to do anyways. lol What'cha talkin' about here, Kruzy? We just had a 7-page discussion in this very thread about this whole thing. Every single post, on every single page has been considered, weighed, and, where possible, incorporated. I find it hilarious how you selectively ignore things that are inconvenient to you, then create (out of NO WHERE) your own, fabricated conclusion for the sole purpose of pointing fingers at me. I've ignored nothing bud... You're thinking of Mike. The fact is that you see my point of how it discourages fighter upgrades on the home stretch your original way. Plain and simple. That's not a compromise, a realization... There is a difference. |
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Oct 6, 2016 10:23:52 GMT -5
Post by The Sandmen on Oct 6, 2016 10:23:52 GMT -5
I never had an original way. What I am about to post is "my original way". Before that, I was throwing out every single idea that crossed my mind for discussion.
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You just re-iterated exactly what you said in your previous post. There was no compromise there at all. lol
Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!
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